My turbo died tonight

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:48 am

no you wont

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:49 am

Yea, you probably won't.

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:51 am

well as much fun as this all is...

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:52 am

Bye Hardy.

J-MoNeY · Post by **J-MoNeY** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:53 am

LoL. Race me? I'll wax that ass. Even hot wax it.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:54 am

I beat imaginations all day long.

jamal · Post by **jamal** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:53 am

Oooh, I missed out on most of this barrel of fun thread.

In case this hasn't been covered already, a turbo in the back of your car is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard of.

So, we want glowing, eh? I think this is a FPV (Ford Performance Vehicles) I6 in Australia.

legacycontinues wrote:I don't mess with what works (and is cheap) the TT's are staying where they are.....and I'll smmmooookkkkeeeeee ya!

I'm going to race everyone around here!! Just to see the look on their face when they get toasted by a wagon.

Here's what came to mind when I saw that:
Farva: I'd buy a ten million dollar car
Ramathorn: Eh, good investment, but I'll still pull you over
Farva: Bullshit, you'd never catch me
Thorny: I could never catch you?
Farva: Well, if you did, I'd have to make my car have wings and fly away.

Oh, and also this:
Smoke 'em.

J-MoNeY · Post by **J-MoNeY** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:58 am

OO. If I were in the room, I have a problem with touching bright shinny objects. I think this one could be deadly.

" You almost had me? You never had your car! Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. Your lucky that 100 shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on your intake."

jamal · Post by **jamal** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:00 am

Tleg93 · Post by **Tleg93** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:56 pm

Wow, this turned into a shitfest fast. So anyway, Vikash, I'm not getting any boost in my car. At least I know that it's ok (I guess) to have a glowing orange turbo. Thanks for the info and take it easy fellas.

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:40 pm

I don't care if I win by an inch or mile......winning is winning.

J-money...be prepared to have your ass handed to you.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:20 pm

Oh come on dude. Get the car before you start shit talking.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:33 pm

Yeah, Jamal and Scott. Wow, this thread grew hugely overnight.

Like Alan said, the turbine actually is hotter than the downpipe. The turbine absolutely does operate on heat as well as gas velocity. The exhaust gas interacts with the turbine much more than with the rest of the exhaust piping.

On a moonless night, try going for a spirited drive and then pull over and turn off your car's lights. Pop the hood and you should see the turbo glowing faintly, even if you have the stock chimney in place.

About the muffler turbo dealie -- certainly there are advantages and disadvantages to it. It's not The Right Way to do it, for sure, but let's also keep in mind that a tiny 80s-era turbo under the hood with no intercooling is not The Right Way to turbocharge either.

So how much was it glowing, Scott? If it was glowing real bright I'd still be concerned about the amount of heat it's radiating in the engine bay. Though I'd think that after it seized it wouldn't get so hot. If it seized I would imagine the process would be that play in the bearings would start to allow the shaft to wobble, and then one of the wheels (compressor or turbine) would start to contact its housing, and that friction would cause things to get real hot real fast, maybe melting some stuff, and then it would be unable to turn. But after it stops turning, that friction should go away and it should be able to cool back down some.

Maybe until you have things figured out you should try to disconnect the wastegate actuator rod from the flapper arm and use wire or something to hold the wastegate open.

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:41 pm

NO NO NO!! This got good when most normal people should be sleeping. I forget that most of you are on the west coast or more that way than me.

I've already found the people who are getting me my car and getting it to me...they are just looking for the car I have requested.

206er · Post by **206er** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:46 pm

BAC5.2 wrote:Oh come on dude. Get the car before you start shit talking.

yeah seriously

legacy92ej22t · Post by **legacy92ej22t** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:47 pm

I think this has to be the fastest growing thread ever!

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:49 pm

SERIOUSLY IS WORTHLESS!!!

Tleg93 · Post by **Tleg93** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:55 pm

No doubt, it sure grew fast and most of it was mostly on topic.

Tleg93 · Post by **Tleg93** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:58 pm

I think I'm going to just slap that turbo that Matt has in as soon as I can. Good thing I saw this coming. I wonder if that's why I was getting such uneven boost numbers? I'm gonna probably have to take it to a garage to have the "new" turbo installed. I just don't have a place to slap the other one in.

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:05 pm

just make sure your coolant / oil to the turbo is flowing properly or you are going to kill the new turbo too.

Tleg93 · Post by **Tleg93** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:40 pm

Ya ok, but I don't really think that's the issue. The turbo supposedly only good for 100k miles. My car is heavily corroded underneath and without having looked at it I'm thinking that the oil that supports the bearing just leaked out through a rust hole but it's just a guess.

legacy92ej22t · Post by **legacy92ej22t** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:57 pm

creel wrote: I'm gonna probably have to take it to a garage to have the "new" turbo installed. I just don't have a place to slap the other one in.

Under normal conditions I'd totally just take a day to help you slap it in Scott but in my current situation I have to spend all my free time trying to get my own car back on the road. It's been down for 6 months now, and the fact that I'm watching my kids all through the week now, and maybe get one day off on the weekend, I barely even have time to work on my own car. Until I get it going I just don't have time to help others with their cars. I'm sorry

If you don't have it in by the time I get my car back on the road I'd be happy to help you though. Maybe you could just drive your NA until then if you don't want to try it yourself or pay to have a shop do it.

It is pretty easy to do though. I'm sure you could do it. I can help talk you through it or something, I just don't have time to do any actual wrenching on it until my own car is fixed.

azn2nr · Post by **azn2nr** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:15 pm

in regards to the back mount turbo. it works. its a good idea. and it has less piping than i have under my hood. it is not intercooled because the temp drop is just as much as an inntercooler would provide. that integra put down 300+ on a mustang dyno atw. the company is based out of a town 20 mins from me and the orignal prototypes have been runnint for 2 years plus with no problems. the orignal before blowing his motor form too much boost ran 10's in las vegas and even then it never glowed red. your gas tank isnt in danger no matter what. when they went public with the kit threads all around the fbod world put down pages similar to what we did here but faster. something like 70 pages every 3 hours, most of them haters. the kit has been proven at the track many times and on the dyno too. it was also featured in a few truck mags. a tocoma ran 11's out here on 34 inch tires and a huge lift on this kit. it works, it works well and any concerns about it working were disproved a long time ago.

the end.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:37 pm

Yeah, changing the turbo isn't that hard, but if you don't have time it makes sense to have shop do it. Removing the fasteners that were last turned 14 years ago and installed without antiseize is hard work anyway, and could easily end up meaning some fasteners need to be cut and replaced. It could easily turn into a bigger job than anticipated.

Do make sure you/they try to figure out what went wrong with the old turbo though. Those oil drain lines do sometimes corrode and leak. Or it could have just been coked up bearings. Despite the cool water convection current dealie, it's still possible to coke the oil, especially if someone in the past wasn't good about changing the oil and/or maintaining the cooling system.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:08 pm

azn2nr wrote:in regards to the back mount turbo. it works. its a good idea. and it has less piping than i have under my hood. it is not intercooled because the temp drop is just as much as an inntercooler would provide.

Prove this, please. It sounds like you are trying to tell me that post turbo outlet temps can drop nearly 100 degrees in the .3 seconds the air is in the pipe before the throttle body? I doubt it, but if you say so, I'd like to see proof.

that integra put down 300+ on a mustang dyno atw.

A friend of mine (Matt saw him I believe) put down 575whp on a Dynapack, with a FMIC. Why would you even bother putting the turbo way back there, when there is PLENTY of room under the hood of 90% of the cars you want to turbo.

And 300whp by having a turbo under the gas tank, who cares? You can get 500+ with less work.

it works, it works well and any concerns about it working were disproved a long time ago.

Please, then, help me with a few concerns that I have about the system.

A) let it be known, that I am not saying this doesn't work. I'm saying that it's not a good idea.

Question 1) Emissions. You have no catalytic converters, and no proper oxygen sensor. How does the car pass emissions?

Question 2) Noise regulation. Again, you have no mufflers, and no resonators. In Virginia, it's illegal to have an exhaust system louder than stock. You can get pulled over and ticketed for a noise violation in just about any county that contains some form of city. Running open downpipe, It's not quite so saying the turbo muffles the noise is bullshit.

Question 3) Water, snow, and all climate conditions, how does the turbo hold up. Also, how does it deal with road-spray right on the filter? The turbo is much more exposed to the elements under the car, than it is under the hood.

Question 4) What about exhaust velocity? Turbo's require heat. Have you ever compared EGT's with tail pipe temps? EGT's in the 1300 degree range, yield maybe 100 degree behind-the-tail-pipe temps. The same principle that you claim cools the intake charge more than an intercooler, also cools exhaust gas. The colder the exhaust is, the slower it moves, so spool can't be very fast, and the powerband can't be very flat. The closer the turbo is to the manifold, the better. SRT-4's spool fast as a motherfucker because the turbo is bolted to the manifold. Same with EVO's, they spool a 16g as fast or faster than we do, and they have less displacement, because the turbo is bolted to the manifold.

Question 5) Oil and coolant flow. You have to run lines ALLLLLLL The way to the trunk. I'm sure this decreases pressure of both oil and coolant, wouldn't it? SO the engine runs hotter, with less potential lubrication. Mild concern, but still a concern.

Question 6) Speed Bumps, suspension, and weight. Turbo's are big, heavy, and fragile. Under the car is a great place to wack the shit out of the turbo. Also, how are they suspending the weight of the turbo? I scrape my exhaust enough as it is. I'd hate to risk ruining a thousand dollar turbo, because the county can't properly install a speedbump.

I could keep going, but I think that's enough for now.

I can see why this would be an idea that would work for the track, and only the track, but I don't see it being a "solution" to cramped engine bays.

Make room, like legacycontinues says, where there is a will....

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