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Back to cold temp starting ... I ran my '84 in -80 F (wind chill) once. Chugged, but kicked over. Took forever to idle down, but ran fine. Coldest I've had the Legacy is -30 WC (more than a few times) without problems of any kind.

Steve

i for one will not defend the idea of putting one there on a an itr. one of their employees did it in his free time and they dicided to go public wiht it.

the orignal system was designed for lt1 comaros (sp) or f-bods. if you look in the engine bay there is verry little room for turbos not to say that there are none but it is verry little. in ls1 cars there is enough room for 2 t67's but the placing is butted up against the endtanks of the radatior causing a hotter condition in the coolant.

the charge air condition and cooling is naturaly cooler than exhaust air. the temp drop in the exhaust air was the number 1 concern for the people looking at the kit in the first place. there was some talk about how long tubes made a difference in spoolup but not that bad. if i remember corectly the charge air temp drop was measured at one point early on and it was sufficent enough that intercoolers wernt nessary. some people that remained concerned as you seem to be added tube awic's to their setup.

the turbos are oil cooled and not oil and watercooled as our turbos are. there is a stump er sump or something that helps the oil pressure and avaiblity to be remidied.

water and snow, as you may or may not realize i live in utah, the greatest snow on earth. the turbo usualy isnt exposed to water while cold so rust isnt a problem as the water that does contact the turbo quickly evaporates. coating is also an option. as for splash there are intake sheilds that go along with the kit as well as the fact that the intake is usualy pointed backwards and fully sheilded from the front so it wont be exposed to water splash.

spool comes on at around 2500 rpm. the same as in the engine bay turbos and about the same as most turboed civics and integras do. i dont know how much your boost friend was running but the kit was only doin about 10-12 psi. if you want to talk about big power civics my firend courtney put down 850hp on the same dyno and is the fastest west coast eg6 without nos. but thats beside the point

as for hangin low on that itr it kinda is but no lower than a muffler. on the fbods and trucks its pretty tucked under there. on the fbod the first time i saw it i dint know it was turbocharged. you have to get down on the floor to see it. no reports of breaking it on a speed bump yet and the ones out here are harsh.

sound. i dont really know how to describe it. whipple charger comes to mind. its not loud as running open header or even a flowmaster 40 series until you stomp on it. and even then its not that loud. its a really high pitched whistle. almost like a 747 winding up at full boost. its no where near a open down pipe is on our cars. i tried it. i went deaf for a minuite. when i heard a tocoma with the kit i couldnt even hear motor. all it was, was this whoooieeeeeeeeeeeewheeeeeeiiieeeeeee. at points it was a whoopwhoopwhoopwhoop.......when the wastegate was opening.

emmisssions for now is no problem for obd2 cars as their just plugins and no sniffers. as far as i know the cars are running high flow cats so even on sniffers they pass.

as far as pipe length, my measured pipe length is over 10 feet and thats just a rough estimate. it may get into the 12 feet area and thats just the pipes, not including the 36 inch core with endtanks. the aforementioned inline awic dont take away from the already "long" charge pipe


any other concerns.


edit: one more thing. in miatas and other standard v8 turbos have huge hose melting problems. even i have thoes problem in my pcv valve system even but i have since solved thoes problems with a new mandrel bent pcv system.

Just take your car out for a little drive and get the turbo glowing again. This way the bolts are nice and heated and should back out with relative ease.

I have plenty of concerns that you didn't address to my content. I still think it's a bad idea.

You say your friend put 850 down on the same dyno. Where was her turbo?

Like I said, I'm not saying it wouldn't work. I'm saying that underhood is perfectly acceptable, you just need to properly set it up.

Everything that you "addressed" don't sufficiently solve the concerns I have with the system. I live in the Mid Atlantic, horrible roads, horribly salty winters. With water, I'm not concerned with rust. I'm concerned with rapid temperature changes. I wouldn't expect any durability out of that system.

There are LT1 under-hood turbo systems on the market for pretty cheap, and they all look pretty complete and well thought out.

I would think it'd be a cool idea for track use only, since you could quickly change turbo's based on the track your running. But that's about it, I wouldn't daily drive anything like that.

*sigh* fucking with an ITR . One of the only cars, that after modding, are often worse than stock.

see the thing is you wouldnt expect any durability out of that system but it is infact durable. clearance is a non issue for most of the orignal cars that it was initialy designed for. that itr does look like it has clearance issues but all the others i assure you do not.

this turbo system works just as well as any other turbo on the market. it spools as well it boosts as well and everything. i understand your concern with salt and all and as do you we too have salty winters. after 2 winters none of the orignal cars have reported any problem. temp change in theroy is a huge problem and though i dont know how or why noone with the kit has ever complained about it after pruchasing the kit.

i think the main point of the kit was to provide a turbo solution to thoes that want daily drivibily performance that is wory free and easy to install and this kit does exactly that.

yes there are kits out there that are under hood for the applications but most of them are complicated to install and cost a ton of money. most people cant do a full turbo install espcialy on a v8 because most require pullin the engine removing body pannells and the such.

also this kit performs superb considering its main objective of driveability. max power wasnt an objective of this kit though it saw superb power gains. no one running the kit has lowered compression internals so the max boost is 12 psi with a methanol injection bandaid. anything above that is bye bye motor

i cannot stress enough that it does not matter that the turbo is under the car. speed bumps water salt and the like have NO effect documented by customors. infact the aps stealth holden/pontiac gto kit sits low and though is techicnaly under the hood is still closer to the ground.

btw courtney is a guy and his turbo is under hood. something about a t88 on a crv block and a v-tech head. he was in hondatech a while back, title of courtneys love.

BAC5.2 wrote:Oh come on dude. Get the car before you start shit talking.

how about just not talking shit?

legacycontinues wrote:I don't care if I win by an inch or mile......winning is winning.


J-money...be prepared to have your ass handed to you.

Let me illustrate what is going to happen to you in a race.

You ----> <---- Me

See what im saying.

J-MoNeY wrote:
Let me illustrate what is going to happen to you in a race.

You ----> <---- Me

...you two have fun 'racing' if thats what you want to call it.

sorry but i just read thorugh the thread and have to say something and i have to say it in caps.

LEGACYCONTINUES. A TWIN TURBO LEGACY WAS BUILT FOR DRIVIABLITY NOT SPEED. YOU WILL SEE A MAX OF 16 SECS IN THE 1/4 MILE IN THAT CAR UNMODED. THERE IS A REASON WHY NO ONE THAT HAD TWIN TURBOS AVALIBLE TO THEM AND WANTED TO DO STRIGHT LINE RACING HAS KEPT THAT SETUP. ALL HAVE GONE WITH SINGLE TURBO.

that said one person that comes imediatly to mind is spechal. he was on here in the begining and showed off his liberity. few of you may know but after blowing his stock motor he swaped out for a ej20tt long block and went imeadatly to a 16g setup where he discovered something in the neighborhood of 12's which i hear is really hard down under.

back to the back mounts. read the website and watch the vids and read the mag articles. i asure you that you will be impressed and all questions you have regarding the system will be answered.

btw. the info on the itr saying that it ran the 1/8th at 94 is so impressive that you could not fathom. subies run 90+ in the 13's range on the 1/4 up here. their saying that the driver backed out at that point may not be so true as far as the streets talk around here the motor was blow on that run and has since been rebuilt with a stronger bottom end and put down the 300+ number. the track opens next month when i plan on a sub 17 sec run. yall pray for me now.

scottzg wrote:

J-MoNeY wrote:
Let me illustrate what is going to happen to you in a race.

You ----> <---- Me

...you two have fun 'racing' if thats what you want to call it.

You wana race too, tiger?

Meanwhile...

I've been driving the SS without any troubles. Is there any reason why I shouldn't be able to drive it?

If the turbocharger isn't spooling I don't think it'll be a big problem; it shouldn't get too hot if it's not turning. Have you drained the oil yet though? I think you should.

No, I haven't drained the oil yet. What would that do again?

Well, you'd just get to see what's in the oil, and if there are any chunks of turbo bearing in it it'll get them out of the car.

Ah, I see. I'm not sure what I thought you meant. Just as a note, won't the oil filter block that?

Well, the turbo's oil drain goes right into the bottom of the passenger side cylinder head, which goes pretty directly into the oil pan, right? So unless the pieces were very small they probably wouldn't get picked up by the pump and sent to the filter. Maybe I'm wrong though.

In any case, an oil change can't hurt things, right?

Man, what a battle. Twice now I've tried to schedule an appointment to get this turbo replaced and the shop's phone system fritzes out right before I get a time scheduled. I'm really starting to wonder about this whole curse thing. It was mostly a joke before and I'm not superstitious but after hearing that the guys house burned down while he was working on my car freaks me out. The sad news is that his girfriend died from her wounds a few days ago. That really sucks and it makes me feel partially responsible.

That's terrible.

Don't feel responsible, Scott. It's sad, but it's not your fault.

Ya, I heard she died. It turns out that a girl that I work with is/was really good friends with them. She's been pretty torn up about it.
We were talking about it and she was like, "oh that must have been your friends car that he was working on" . Very sad.

Yeah, it is sad and like I said I wish it wasn't my car he was working on.

Shit, that really sucks. I hope she was better off than living with painful scarring. Not that it's aq consolation, but I know I'd rather be gone than have to live with my whole body burnt. That's a brutal recovery even ignoring the issues of how you look after.

Steve

I guess it was smoke inhalation that killed her.

Getting back on topic...

Please excuse my ignorance.

I was talking to a Subaru mechanic and he told me that if my waste gate was stuck open that it wouldn't boost at all. Is this true?

Ya, remember I told you that the other night on the phone when we were talking too?