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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 12:20 pm**

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 12:20 pm**

You said it all!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: William D. Robinson <mailto:vultureboy@mindspring.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 1:40 pm**

Testify!

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "William D. Robinson" <vultureboy@m...>
wrote:
> I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust
and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good
friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new
USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and
without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't
say "know".
>
> The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The
Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust,
K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not
quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car
running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play
with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect
it to be as quick as the stock WRX.
>
> The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my
EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than
it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek
Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it
added $50bhp with quicker spooling.
>
> I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T
to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.
>
> Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier,
with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer
chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every
day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot
more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and
it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.
>
> In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either
car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love
driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn
cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against
nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in
drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in
performance situations that include lots of weight shifting,
irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.
>
> Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 2:00 pm**

Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car (given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.

----- Original Message -----
From: Simon <mailto:larosi@videotron.ca> LaRochelle
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

You said it all!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: William D. Robinson <mailto:vultureboy@mindspring.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 2:50 pm**

I think the JDM 4-cam Legacy would outgun the USDM Impreza WRX.
Agree?

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Kam" <kam@s...> wrote:
> Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement
for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and
lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a
different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car
(given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the
Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon LaRochelle
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
> Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX
performance
>
>
> You said it all!!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William D. Robinson
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance
>
>
> I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3"
exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a
good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a
new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with
and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I
didn't say "know".
>
> The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo.
The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing
exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is
still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting
my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to
play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I
expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.
>
> The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than
my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX
than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit
(Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller)
and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.
>
> I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my
EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.
>
> Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit
roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much
stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed
every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a
lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff
and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.
>
> In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in
either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely
love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty
damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime
against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot
imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their
own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting,
irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.
>
> Bill Robinson
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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 4:30 pm**

i agree with the last comment =)

-----Original Message-----
From: dealerxing [mailto:saitam@newyork.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 6:20 a.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I think the JDM 4-cam Legacy would outgun the USDM Impreza WRX.
Agree?

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Kam" <kam@s...> wrote:
> Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement
for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and
lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a
different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car
(given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the
Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon LaRochelle
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
> Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX
performance
>
>
> You said it all!!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William D. Robinson
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance
>
>
> I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3"
exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a
good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a
new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with
and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I
didn't say "know".
>
> The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo.
The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing
exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is
still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting
my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to
play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I
expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.
>
> The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than
my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX
than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit
(Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller)
and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.
>
> I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my
EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.
>
> Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit
roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much
stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed
every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a
lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff
and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.
>
> In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in
either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely
love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty
damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime
against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot
imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their
own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting,
irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.
>
> Bill Robinson
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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 5:50 pm**

On a drag stip i don't think it would. the quad cam RS pulled a stock low 15
second i believe. the US WRX pulls a 14.7. In circuit racing the US WRX
would win as well, better suspension geometry allows for better turning. In
a rally situation the same applies.

in both rally and circuit racing the eventual heat soak of the water to air
intercooler would hinder the RS while the WRX's air-2-air would last a bit
longer before heat soak set in.

I disagree.

-Jason

>i agree with the last comment =)

>>I think the JDM 4-cam Legacy would outgun the USDM Impreza WRX.
>>Agree?
>

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 5:50 pm**

my twin turbo quad cam GT-B pulls a 14.7, with a air to air intercooler (this is my stock legacy)

-----Original Message-----
From: jason grahn [mailto:jgrahn555@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 8:37 a.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

On a drag stip i don't think it would. the quad cam RS pulled a stock low 15
second i believe. the US WRX pulls a 14.7. In circuit racing the US WRX
would win as well, better suspension geometry allows for better turning. In
a rally situation the same applies.

in both rally and circuit racing the eventual heat soak of the water to air
intercooler would hinder the RS while the WRX's air-2-air would last a bit
longer before heat soak set in.

I disagree.

-Jason

>i agree with the last comment =)

>>I think the JDM 4-cam Legacy would outgun the USDM Impreza WRX.
>>Agree?
>

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 7:55 pm**

I will agree with all of that. The moral of the story is you
basically can't go around saying "this beats that"... each
combination of car and driver differs in performance. Additionally,
some cars are built for driving down rally stages and others are
built to put you to sleep on the highway. Different... not
necessarily better.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Wilson, Tim" <tim.wilson@c...> wrote:
> my twin turbo quad cam GT-B pulls a 14.7, with a air to air
intercooler (this is my stock legacy)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jason grahn [mailto:jgrahn555@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 8:37 a.m.
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Legacy Turbo Versus WRX
performance
>
>
> On a drag stip i don't think it would. the quad cam RS pulled a
stock low 15
> second i believe. the US WRX pulls a 14.7. In circuit racing the
US WRX
> would win as well, better suspension geometry allows for better
turning. In
> a rally situation the same applies.
>
> in both rally and circuit racing the eventual heat soak of the
water to air
> intercooler would hinder the RS while the WRX's air-2-air would
last a bit
> longer before heat soak set in.
>
> I disagree.

>
> -Jason
>
> >i agree with the last comment =)
>
> >>I think the JDM 4-cam Legacy would outgun the USDM Impreza WRX.
> >>Agree?
> >
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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 8:40 pm**

I am not going to disagree that a WRX with any
modification is probably faster than a Legacy. If I
had the money available or were willing to go into
deeper debt I would buy a WRX without thinking twice
about it. A tuned WRX can easily be one of the
fastest cars on the road. The real dispute has been
whether a Legacy is a "valid" performance vehicle and
I think that if you are on this group we all recognize
they are and have seen countless testimonials to this
fact. The nice thing about a Legacy turbo, and the
reason I love the car, is that you can spend alot less
money and have a damn fast car that is still fun to
drive to and from work or wherever. I have plans liad
out to build a competitive rally car that will after
everything cost me about 12-13 grand and be able to
compete without having to spend a small fortune.
Grant

--- "William D. Robinson" <vultureboy@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX
> intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild
> external modifications. I have a good friend who
> owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought
> a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at
> near the limits with and without modifications.
> Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say
> "know".
>
> The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy
> Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to
> 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in
> stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite
> as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting
> my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels,
> then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I
> already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to
> be as quick as the stock WRX.
>
> The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes
> better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more
> bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my
> Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit
> (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual
> Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker
> spooling.
>
> I don't think it would be practical for me to try to
> take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the
> stage 2 WRX.
>
> Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite
> a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats.
> The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10
> year old car that has had its frame flexed every
> day. I can tell that even if both cars were new,
> the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The
> WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker
> in the mud and snow.
>
> In a rally-like situation, the better driver could
> win in either car. I absolutely love driving the
> WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old
> Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn
> cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a
> crime against nature to subjectively compare any
> Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing
> applications. Subarus only come into their own in
> performance situations that include lots of weight
> shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable
> traction.
>
> Bill Robinson
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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 9:00 pm**

Just to add my two cents.

I have a legacy because I like the styling....I like how it looks....it's a smoother car in my opinion.....less twitchy handling the the WRX, and smoother power delivery......It's like the B4 RSK......it's got 280 hp.....however it does not have that huge surge of power......that let's say the WRX has.....it's a smoother power delivery.

Maybe I'm just getting old

I'd take a WRX if someone gave one to me

However I'd sooner pay less and tweak a legacy to haul ass.

Other thing I like.....it's alot more rare and distinctive then the WRX.....which is why I like my car.....I have not seen another one like it on the road.

Josh

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kam [mailto:kam@subarunutter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:28 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car (given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.

----- Original Message -----
From: Simon <mailto:larosi@videotron.ca> LaRochelle
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

You said it all!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: William D. Robinson <mailto:vultureboy@mindspring.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 9:20 pm**

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, William D. Robinson wrote:
> Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with
> sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis
> than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can
> tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to
> frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in
> the mud and snow.

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that the turbo Liberty has a LSD on both
the rear diff and the centre diff.. Or is that just a difference between the
Liberty and the Legacy?

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:24 pm**

too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is "a smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old, 20

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Colombo [mailto:josh@surrealmirage.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 12:59 p.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

Just to add my two cents.

I have a legacy because I like the styling....I like how it looks....it's a smoother car in my opinion.....less twitchy handling the the WRX, and smoother power delivery......It's like the B4 RSK......it's got 280 hp.....however it does not have that huge surge of power......that let's say the WRX has.....it's a smoother power delivery.

Maybe I'm just getting old

I'd take a WRX if someone gave one to me

However I'd sooner pay less and tweak a legacy to haul ass.

Other thing I like.....it's alot more rare and distinctive then the WRX.....which is why I like my car.....I have not seen another one like it on the road.

Josh

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kam [mailto:kam@subarunutter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:28 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car (given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.

----- Original Message -----
From: Simon <mailto:larosi@videotron.ca> LaRochelle
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

You said it all!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: William D. Robinson <mailto:vultureboy@mindspring.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:30 pm**

hahaha......yeah....I know....I'm not that old either.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:23 PM
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too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is "a smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old, 20

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Colombo [mailto:josh@surrealmirage.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 12:59 p.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

Just to add my two cents.

I have a legacy because I like the styling....I like how it looks....it's a smoother car in my opinion.....less twitchy handling the the WRX, and smoother power delivery......It's like the B4 RSK......it's got 280 hp.....however it does not have that huge surge of power......that let's say the WRX has.....it's a smoother power delivery.

Maybe I'm just getting old

I'd take a WRX if someone gave one to me

However I'd sooner pay less and tweak a legacy to haul ass.

Other thing I like.....it's alot more rare and distinctive then the WRX.....which is why I like my car.....I have not seen another one like it on the road.

Josh

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************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: Kam [mailto:kam@subarunutter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:28 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car (given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.

----- Original Message -----
From: Simon <mailto:larosi@videotron.ca> LaRochelle
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

You said it all!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: William D. Robinson <mailto:vultureboy@mindspring.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:41 pm**

smoother car or not, opinions don't count.

lets talk numbers here.

what is the 0-60mph of a RS?
0-100mph?
100mph-0?
quarter mile?
anyone have any skidpad numbers?

-Jason

>too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is "a
>smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old, 20
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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:51 pm**

hmmmm Maybe I have the best of both worlds or the worst depending on
the way you look at it. I paid $600.00 for a badly wrecked and
partially striped '95 Impreza and have installed a '94 Legacy turbo
engine and turbo Legacy running gear. It is modified and will take a
Turbo Legacy or the WRX in most races but the WRX would win in a tight
course. But I do get to drive all of them after bolting on "goodies"
and prototype aftermarket equipment and have to admit I would take the
Legacy for a long trip.
AL(CO)

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <josh@s...> wrote:
> hahaha......yeah....I know....I'm not that old either.

>
> ************************************
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> <mailto:Josh@s...> Josh@s...
>
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> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wilson, Tim [mailto:tim.wilson@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:23 PM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance
>
>
> too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is
"a smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old,
20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Colombo [mailto:josh@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 12:59 p.m.
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance
>
>
> Just to add my two cents.
>
> I have a legacy because I like the styling....I like how it
looks....it's a smoother car in my opinion.....less twitchy handling
the the WRX, and smoother power delivery......It's like the B4
RSK......it's got 280 hp.....however it does not have that huge surge
of power......that let's say the WRX has.....it's a smoother power
delivery.
>
> Maybe I'm just getting old

>
> I'd take a WRX if someone gave one to me

However I'd sooner pay
less and tweak a legacy to haul ass.
>
> Other thing I like.....it's alot more rare and distinctive then the
WRX.....which is why I like my car.....I have not seen another one
like it on the road.
>
> Josh
>
> ************************************
> Josh Colombo
> <mailto:Josh@s...> Josh@s...
>
> "Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kam [mailto:kam@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:28 PM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance
>
>
> Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement for
the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and lighter
chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a different
car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car (given the
same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the Imprezas are
just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon <mailto:larosi@v...> LaRochelle
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
> Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance
>
> You said it all!!!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William D. Robinson <mailto:vultureboy@m...>
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance
>
> I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and
a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend
who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX
sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without
modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".
>
> The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The
Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust,
K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not
quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car
running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play
with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it
to be as quick as the stock WRX.
>
> The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my
EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than
it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek
Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it
added $50bhp with quicker spooling.
>
> I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T
to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.
>
> Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier,
with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer
chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every
day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot
more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it
hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.
>
> In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either
car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love
driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn
cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against
nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag
racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance
situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces,
and undependable traction.
>
> Bill Robinson
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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:52 pm**

why do you say opinions don't count??? I think they matter

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:41 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

smoother car or not, opinions don't count.

lets talk numbers here.

what is the 0-60mph of a RS?
0-100mph?
100mph-0?
quarter mile?
anyone have any skidpad numbers?

-Jason

>too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is "a
>smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old, 20
>

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:53 pm**

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, jason grahn wrote:

> smoother car or not, opinions don't count.

>
> lets talk numbers here.
>
> what is the 0-60mph of a RS?
> 0-100mph?
> 100mph-0?
> quarter mile?

According to Autospeed, the factory stock RS does 14.9 second quarters.
Sorry, don't know about mph numbers, its all metric here.

hope that helps,

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:54 pm**

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 2:41 p.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

smoother car or not, opinions don't count.

lets talk numbers here.

what is the 0-60mph of a GT-B
0-100mph? 5.7
100mph-0? ?
quarter mile? 14.7
anyone have any skidpad numbers?

My stock legacy

>too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is "a
>smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old, 20
>

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 11:03 pm**

hello it's a chat group where we discuss and talk about issues

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Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 2:48 p.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

why do you say opinions don't count??? I think they matter

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-----Original Message-----
From: jason grahn [mailto:jgrahn555@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:41 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

smoother car or not, opinions don't count.

lets talk numbers here.

what is the 0-60mph of a RS?
0-100mph?
100mph-0?
quarter mile?
anyone have any skidpad numbers?

-Jason

>too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is "a
>smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old, 20
>

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 11:20 pm**

I was just jokin around....everyone's entitled to their opinion

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-----Original Message-----
From: Wilson, Tim [mailto:tim.wilson@compaq.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:54 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

hello it's a chat group where we discuss and talk about issues

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Colombo [mailto:josh@surrealmirage.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 2:48 p.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

why do you say opinions don't count??? I think they matter

~

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of beats and rhythm" - ME
************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: jason grahn [mailto:jgrahn555@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:41 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

smoother car or not, opinions don't count.

lets talk numbers here.

what is the 0-60mph of a RS?
0-100mph?
100mph-0?
quarter mile?
anyone have any skidpad numbers?

-Jason

>too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is "a
>smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old, 20
>

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Posted: **Tue Apr 09, 2002 11:30 pm**

sorry could help being checky

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 3:16 p.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I was just jokin around....everyone's entitled to their opinion

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************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilson, Tim [mailto:tim.wilson@compaq.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:54 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

hello it's a chat group where we discuss and talk about issues

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Colombo [mailto:josh@surrealmirage.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 2:48 p.m.
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

why do you say opinions don't count??? I think they matter

~

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of beats and rhythm" - ME
************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: jason grahn [mailto:jgrahn555@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:41 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

smoother car or not, opinions don't count.

lets talk numbers here.

what is the 0-60mph of a RS?
0-100mph?
100mph-0?
quarter mile?
anyone have any skidpad numbers?

-Jason

>too add another two cents to make four GO THE LEGACY i agree it is "a
>smoother car" nope your not gettin old, well i don't think im old, 20
>

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Posted: **Wed Apr 10, 2002 5:20 am**

Yes but when the WRX was released so was the new much bigger Liberty. And further more so did the twin turbo jobbie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kam [mailto:kam@subarunutter.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 3:28 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
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Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car (given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.
----- Original Message -----

From: Simon LaRochelle <mailto:larosi@videotron.ca>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

You said it all!!!!
----- Original Message -----

From: William <mailto:vultureboy@mindspring.com> D. Robinson
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Wed Apr 10, 2002 5:20 am**

I agree with Josh there. What a sleeper. Puts the p platers in place to.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 10:59 AM
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Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

Just to add my two cents.

I have a legacy because I like the styling....I like how it looks....it's a smoother car in my opinion.....less twitchy handling the the WRX, and smoother power delivery......It's like the B4 RSK......it's got 280 hp.....however it does not have that huge surge of power......that let's say the WRX has.....it's a smoother power delivery.

Maybe I'm just getting old

I'd take a WRX if someone gave one to me

However I'd sooner pay less and tweak a legacy to haul ass.

Other thing I like.....it's alot more rare and distinctive then the WRX.....which is why I like my car.....I have not seen another one like it on the road.

Josh

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:28 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance
Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car (given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.
----- Original Message -----

From: Simon LaRochelle <mailto:larosi@videotron.ca>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

You said it all!!!!
----- Original Message -----

From: William <mailto:vultureboy@mindspring.com> D. Robinson
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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Posted: **Wed Apr 10, 2002 5:20 am**

Heres a curly one which is better Australian RS Liberty or WRX. Put both on the same amout of boost and see what happens. Very similar engine. Any thoughts here.

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Hancock [mailto:Doug_hancock@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 7:10 PM
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Yes but when the WRX was released so was the new much bigger Liberty. And further more so did the twin turbo jobbie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kam [mailto:kam@subarunutter.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 3:28 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

Here here! One must remember that the Impreza was a replacement for the Legacy in the rallys and inherently will be a stiffer and lighter chassis - otherwise there wouldn't be much point in using a different car would it?! Lighter and stiffer chassis = faster car (given the same engine, of course). What's more, for road use the Imprezas are just not built as well as the old BF Legacies.
----- Original Message -----

From: Simon LaRochelle <mailto:larosi@videotron.ca>

To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 58 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

You said it all!!!!
----- Original Message -----

From: William <mailto:vultureboy@mindspring.com> D. Robinson

To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Legacy Turbo Versus WRX performance

I have a 92 Legacy Turbo with an old WRX intercooler, 3" exhaust and a handful of other mild external modifications. I have a good friend who owned a 93 Legacy Turbo (stock) and recently bought a new USA WRX sedan. I have driven both cars at near the limits with and without modifications. Here is what I think (notice that I didn't say "know".

The stock WRX is a lot quicker than the stock Legacy Turbo. The Legacy Turbo with the boost turned up to 14psi, free-flowing exhaust, K&N panel filter in stock air box and an intercooler is still not quite as the stock WRX. I am currently working on getting my car running perfectly in at stock boost levels, then I am going to play with fuel pressure (I already have a bigger fuel pump) and I expect it to be as quick as the stock WRX.

The WRX, even with a cat before the turbo breathes better than my EJ22T. A pound of boost gives more bang for the buck on the WRX than it does on my Legacy. We put on a $1700 TurboXS Stage 2 kit (Dastek Unichip, Exhaust, Hi Flow Cat, Nice Manual Boost Controller) and it added $50bhp with quicker spooling.

I don't think it would be practical for me to try to take my EJ22T to the point where it would dust the stage 2 WRX.

Both cars weigh about the same. The Legacy is quite a bit roomier, with sunroof and fold-down seats. The new WRX has a much stiffer chassis than my 10 year old car that has had its frame flexed every day. I can tell that even if both cars were new, the WRX is a lot more resistant to frame flex. The WRX has LSD in the rear diff and it hooks up quicker in the mud and snow.

In a rally-like situation, the better driver could win in either car. I absolutely love driving the WRX, but I also absolutely love driving my old Legacy. I still think my old Legacy is pretty damn cool and definitely a hot real-world ride. It is a crime against nature to subjectively compare any Subaru to other hot imports in drag racing applications. Subarus only come into their own in performance situations that include lots of weight shifting, irregular surfaces, and undependable traction.

Bill Robinson

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