Maybe Subaru thought they would not sell a lot. Besides they would have just
put the 2l in instead of the 2.2l. Why muck around with a new engine that
will cost the earth. Compare prices for the Legacy and your average V8 with
a little more power. Australia has seen a very quick growth over the past
ten years with the old V8 is slowly dying. It will never die but the turbo
is here and it is very strong.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Shastko [mailto:
smotocon@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2002 26 PM
To:
BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: why does a wrx make 200+ hp?
As far as detunning goes you are half right. Of course they are not going to
sell a car that isn't efficient and well rounded. BUT if you think that
subaru did the best they could with this engine you are wrong. They
installed SOHC heads on the car that lets face it are less then spectacular
as far as flow goes (just talk to COBB tunning). Plus no intercooler, and
that is a rare thing. It has been long know that Japan has held on to there
Monsterous engines and highly tuned cars. Even though they have 101 octain
fuel subaru could have done more with the engine. If we would have gotten
the EJ20 from the RS with its quad cam higher flow heads and intercooler it
would have easilly made 190-200hp with our octain and would have faced off
better to the mitsubishi galant vr4 that produced 195hp. So in my book they
could have done much more, and frankly if it makes you feel better they
de-potentialized it.
>From: "DNA_Man" <
dna_man@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To:
BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To:
BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: why does a wrx make 200+ hp?
>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:24:56 -0000
>
>Seems to me that setting up the car so that performance is the best
>it can be given the average quality of the fuel in the area in which
>the car is sold would be tuning it up, not detuning it. It irritates
>me that people say that because it makes it sound as if the company
>is not selling you the best possible car that they can, and it's
>simply not the case. They aren't selling the car in Japan, they
>aren't selling it in Australia, they are selling it in the US, where
>the octane is an average of 91. It would be stupid to tune the car to
>run on a higher octane than that, since that would cause performance,
>mileage and reliability to suffer.
>
>I love a good mud slinging match, but sheesh... I thought we were a
>group of people who _liked_ Subarus. Sure, I'm dissapointed that I
>can't get the same stuff they get over in Japan, but I appreciate the
>fact that I don't have to take my car to the track to fill it up!
>
>We have 91 octane in Colorado because we have less dense air, and the
>car runs better on a lower octane, given the lower density of the
>air. Josh, please correct me if I'm wrong about that, but if we were
>running a higher octane gas up here, wouldn't we have to increase the
>compression, or turbo boost somehow in order to get the same level of
>fuel efficiency? That is why you see 93 down in PA(sea level), and 91
>up here in colorado (mile high).
>
>
>--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., Brian White <eastbaysubaru@y...> wrote:
> > I would have to add the fact that we, as Americans,
> > only get ~91 octane fuel out of the pump. Therefore
> > the engines that we get over here are significantly
> > detuned to deal with a lower grade fuel. In
> > California, we used to be able to get 92 as supreme.
> > Now it's all 91, along with Colorado, which is where I
> > spent the last five years. So I would have to say we
> > definitely get 'detuned' motors over here.
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> > --- abs526 <andrew.b.smith@u...> wrote:
> > > I say "detuned" all the time. Its essentially true.
> > > American buyers
> > > are known to like softer cars. While its true the
> > > cars run great in
> > > both cases (JDM USDM) the ones from Japan have to
> > > deal with less
> > > resrictions from the government. In the case of the
> > > legacy. The
> > > essentially wanted to get a better model legacy over
> > > here, but didnt
> > > want the cost to be too high. This is why we lack
> > > the intercoolers
> > > and higher boost levels. They stuck with a 2.2L
> > > design because it
> > > was common over here. There were no parts for the
> > > 2.0L back then
> > > available here in the states. Its not detuning
> > > persay, but better
> > > balancing cost/performance/comfort for the US
> > > market. Pretty much we
> > > Americans just need to toughen our image as car
> > > buyers, and we'll
> > > start getting real cars over here.
> > > -Andy
> > >
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