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What a load of crap
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:24 am
by scottzg
I just bumped in to 'Super Street' magasine on the web. I've seen it in newstands pretty often (usually while looking for the latest GRM), and always ignored it. It is amazing that so much unresearched bullshit is nationally published mag. Who buys it?! I think i'm beginning to understand the poor deluded ricers.
here's the article
Here's a few gems
Not everyone can do it, and you’re gonna have to accept that it’s only for a select few.
S14s can be modified extensively without spending much and could possibly whoop a Skyline’s ass.
Choose an exhaust that not only has an increased pipe diameter, but is also designed so you will not lose any backpressure.
A turbine that spools faster is good because you can break your traction much quicker.
To prevent any damage to your stock transmission, it would be beneficial to upgrade your clutch and flywheel to stronger aftermarket pieces. These kinds of modifications will aid in transferring the power to the wheels much more efficiently without putting too much strain on the rest of the tranny.
Your suspension setup is also vital, and you have to make sure that it’s stiff. Not a Jenna Jameson kind of stiff, but, well, you know.
A stiff suspension will allow the rear tires to spin a lot easier, whereas a stock suspension will experience body roll, and that makes it harder to spin the rear tires.
A stress bar is good for an FR in the rear only because it will help reduce body roll and reinforce weak chassis points.
Re: What a load of crap
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:32 am
by BAC5.2
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:42 am
by subawhatsubawho
I buy SS now and then...to look for companies selling Roo parts.
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:46 am
by jamal
Supercharge any Subaru for $69.95!
So maybe that's not the right link?
This random comic I clicked on was amusing, though.
Also I took this picture the other day:
Anyway, yeah, that article you quoted is pretty messed up. let me guess, it was titled: How to do an SR20DET swap in your 88 240sx and be a drifting champion"
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:48 am
by azn2nr
^^^^^^^ i was thinking the same thing as phil
but i have had a subscription to ss before and im gonna asume 2 things
first rickdaddy chu wrote teh article and second that they are talking about drifting.
in either case what the above quote is true. skylines are good drift cars but 240s are better. thats why 2 of the top 3 cars in D1 are 240's (actualy a rps13 (Signal) and a s15 (top sceret)) the other being the apex'i rx7
the only blantaly false statement in the quote is
Choose an exhaust that not only has an increased pipe diameter, but is also designed so you will not lose any backpressure.
espcialy considering what sentence its being folowed by.
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:50 am
by azn2nr
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:02 am
by LaureltheQueen
and body roll makes breaking traction on the rear end harder? IIRC, drifting my 91 was significantly easier before i switched out my suspension.
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:15 am
by azn2nr
thats right. when your suspension is sitffer theres less body roll and less weight transfer which alows more power enduced slippage. not the weight transfer slippage stuff.
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:19 am
by LaureltheQueen
power *induced slippage, yes. But slippage in general(aka using inertia) is still nonetheless slippage, and a hell of a lot easier than modifying your engine
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:04 pm
by scottzg
Sorry, i fixed the link. Thats what you get when you post right before bed.
So a stronger aftermarket clutch is more gentle to the tranny?
A stress bar will reduce body roll?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:00 pm
by azn2nr
tecknickly, because it keeps the car from folding in on itself like a taco, which induces body roll
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:44 am
by Legacy777
scottzg wrote:Sorry, i fixed the link. Thats what you get when you post right before bed.
So a stronger aftermarket clutch is more gentle to the tranny?
A stress bar will reduce body roll?
No, a stronger, more aggressive clutch typically is worse for your tranny. If you're pealing out or launch real hard and the clutch slips a little, you're transferring less torque to the transmission, which in turn is less stress on the gears.
If you have a clutch that hooks up and doesn't slip at all, the trans is getting the full brunt of the engine's power and more stress....
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:34 am
by BAC5.2
I think he was poking fun at Super Street with that comment, Josh.
I've been in an STi with a puck, and I must say, it's harsh. I drove it into the garage, and it was either on or off, and to slip it, you had to be at 3k and just pump away at it. It also contributed to the blown tranny.
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:16 pm
by BAC5.2
I was just reading the article. I guess they staff middle-schoolers to write their articles. I question if any of them actually know what they are talking about, or if they just read Sport Compact Car and extrapolate their own ideas.
"You can adjust the toe in/toe out on an FF to 10 degrees on the rear and 5 degrees on the front for good tire/surface contact."
That alone tells me that they don't know what they are talking about. That is a SICK amount of toe. Your tires would last 1000 miles and you'd be down to the cords. I don't even think it'd be possible to go 10 degrees in OR out. NOT to mention that they don't decipher between toe in or out. They just tell you to run 10 degrees toe in/out.
That much toe OUT in the rear, paired with that much toe in on the front, will provide violent oversteer, that makes itself known at shopping cart speeds. Not to mention that any speed over 30mph, and your gonna hear the horrendous squeal of your rear tires dragging along, and your front tires snow plowing down the road.
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:06 pm
by azn2nr
uhhh isnt that the point minus the fact that their measurements are wront. i mean they are talking about drifting
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:24 am
by THAWA
"This is where an LSD comes in handy and works by taking power from the wheel that has better grip and biasing it to the wheel with less grip."
So a LIMITED SLIP Differential applies more power to the wheel that is slipping? Wouldn't that make it an Open differential?
"There are two types of LSDs: 1.5-way and 2-way. A 1.5-way LSD works only when you accelerate but has little effect when braking. A 2-way LSD is active when you are either accelerating or braking, so this is a more viable option for drifting."
More than two.