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94 Legacy trouble after timing belt replacement

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:56 pm
by andrewz
I just bought a '94 Legacy AWD in non-running condition. I found the toothed idler for the timing belt had failed. I changed all of the idlers and the belt. The belt had timing marks on it and the marks matched the info I found at endwrench.com. 44 teeth from passenger side cam mark to crank mark, 40.5 teeth from crank mark to driver side cam mark. I put it all back together and it still won't start. I have 170 psi on 1, 150 psi on 2, 155 on 3, and #4 I had up to 150, but it took about 6 compressions. Not sure that the connector was on tight enough on that #4 cylinder, as I can't get a wrench on to tighten it. I have spark. I smell gas after cranking. Cylinder 1 at TDC has the crank pulley timing mark close to 0.

I can't use my OBD-II connector on it. I connected the black pair of test plugs and get a steady, constant blink on the check engine light. I connected the green pair and the fans ran, relays clicked, etc in a continuous cycle.

Oh, by the way, it has something like 228,000 on it.

What am I missing? :?

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:27 pm
by beatersubi
Are you sure you used the correct timing marks on the cam pulleys? There are two sets and are easily confused.

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:41 pm
by andrewz
I saw only one mark on the perimeter of the pulley. Is that the correct one? Would the compression be 150+ if the timing was off?

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:06 pm
by andrewz
I verified that I used the correct timing mark on the cams, not the piston position mark. Any other ideas, anyone? Does the steady blink in read mode indicate no problems detected by the ECU? The spark plugs look bad, but it seems strange that it was running until the timing idler failed, and now won't start at all.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:59 am
by scuzzy
if I remember correctly there's a couple places where you can point the marks on the cams to line them up, one is right and one is wrong, same for the crank; I think there's a notch and a dot on the sprocket but I can't recall.

it's been about two years since I've looked at mine.

make sure the crank sensor and cam sensors aren't mangled, if the pulley failed there's no telling what could have gone with it.

edit: also don't read too much into those compression numbers until you get the engine warm, if it's been setting for an extended duration then the compression numbers will be out of wack due to oil drainage and such.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:23 am
by andrewz
I found the problem! I found a reference on another site about two timing marks on the crank also, not just the cams. Tore it apart, fixed the alignment, she starts right up. Thanks, scuzzy for your post. The correct mark on the crank is behind the belt on the sprocket for the crank position sensor. The endwrench.com article does have it correct. :D

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:53 am
by ciper
I litereally exploded my intake by using the wrong crank mark. The MAF tube was the weak point and it cracked open. Nothing a little super glue and epoxy couldnt fix :)

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:13 pm
by adema2626
Thank you guys for helping me with my problem to! haha and thank you Matt Monson for directing me in the direction of this post!

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:20 am
by Steeper
I like that these 2.2 sohc are non interference!