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While doing a google search for images to use for my monitor's background, I stumbled on to this page (Subaru Turbo Diesel):
http://ymmv.coffeehaus.com/archives/005106.html

Pretty cool.

Don't miss the engine video at the very bottom. Terrific graphics!!!

Thanks for posting!!!!

Not a problem. I figured it would make someone's day for sure.

"intelligent mode"

thanks toyota....ish

that would be sweet if they did bring that here to compete with the mercedes and BMW's that are already diesel and are already here.

It's even shorter than the gas 4-cylinder. I would love to use this engine in my project if it can fit width-wise. I could really use the low cg and the short length would be a huge help providing space for my inboard suspension and radiator with shrouds.

ADA=You cant have fun in this car!

I like the location of the turbo, that would certainly help with cooling.

I would love to have one of those motors for my van... I have a feeling the control electronics would not be very much fun to deal with in a swap.

The Science Channel just ran a program about the new BMW diesel motors. Twin-turbo straight-6 coming in the fall in the 3-series. All Aluminum block, gobs of torque, and clean emmisions. Finally a decent diesel that's not housed in a damn Jetta! I'm not holding my breath for Subaru to bring it's boxer diesel here soon.

I don't want their 6 - I want the 2.0 in the 118d. That car gets 60 mpg and still gets out of its own way while weighing more than double what my project car will and with far worse aerodynamics. And it has stop/start and accessories that only run when needed. That's my other option if the Subaru engine turns out to be too hard to get or too wide to fit.

evolutionmovement wrote:I don't want their 6 - I want the 2.0 in the 118d. That car gets 60 mpg and still gets out of its own way while weighing more than double what my project car will and with far worse aerodynamics. And it has stop/start and accessories that only run when needed. That's my other option if the Subaru engine turns out to be too hard to get or too wide to fit.

That's another one we'll never see. To far downmarket to fit BMW's "U.S. Image" of ultimate driving machine. You'll have to buy a front clip from Europe, or perhaps Canada will get this beautiful motor, and we can sneak it across soon...it was also highlighted in that SciChan show.
I don't have that much against the VW TDi, it's a nice motor, but it's a really old design, iron block... typical VW; stretching out a design as long as possible, instead of innovating. Same reason I'm putting a Subaru motor into my Vanagon; the stock motor was a 1933 design beetle engine with a water jacket. Pushrods, for fuck's sake...

Aerotech wrote: I don't have that much against the VW TDi, it's a nice motor, but it's a really old design, iron block... typical VW; stretching out a design as long as possible, instead of innovating.

They are fantastic driving motors though...

I wonder...

Will it be possible to swap gas internals and heads into that block? It should be strong enough for VERY high hp applications...

jamal wrote:I wonder...

Will it be possible to swap gas internals and heads into that block? It should be strong enough for VERY high hp applications...

That block doesn't look like it shares much anything with an EJ

Aerotech wrote:Pushrods, for fuck's sake...

Pushrods do the General proud to this very day. The new ZR1 makes somewhere north of 600hp. Off a showroom floor, thats not bad, IMO.

beatersubi wrote:
Pushrods do the General proud to this very day. The new ZR1 makes somewhere north of 600hp. Off a showroom floor, thats not bad, IMO.

You also can make a turd fast, but then it's just a fast turd

Except the LS series also gets better gas mileage and packages better than most contemporary smaller DOHC units that make less power at higher rpm. And that's without cylinder deactivation.

You can have the most advanced composite knife in the world, but I'll still take a regular axe when I need to chop wood. OHC is not new tech either.

I don't think I'll have to smuggle a 118d front clip over after all - reading the EPA papers on importation, it looks like it's considered car parts and is not subject to emissions and since it will likely be technically going into a motorcycle passing emissions is no issue. There are a couple options, it appears, without having to resort to smuggling one over the border from a Canada ship-to.

evolutionmovement wrote:Except the LS series also gets better gas mileage

That's because the overdrives they put with them are crazy high...it has little to do with the actual motor.

Laura's mom and dad have a GTO auto and it gets crappy mileage...and it has an LS2

Of course it does! Try running that kind of overdrive in a Honda Civic - you need low end torque to pull those ratios.

The LS series doesn't get better gas mileage The Corvette does because it's a featherweight and can scoot with your toenail on the gas. GTOs, Impalas, Grand Prixs, etc (the heavyweight LS-powered cars that real people can afford) all get much less spectacular mileage.


I'm tired of manufactuers not bringing diesels over here because they aren't sure our market is ready for it. Do they seriously not see the popularity of small cars (Yaris, Fit, etc), hybrids, and our culture's willingness to buy $60 "gas mileage improver" packages from PepBoys? An Outback 2.0D may be slow as balls, but I don't think anyone would complain about getting 50mpg and having the torque to pull back V6 Jeeps!!!

But the Corvette has used a series of LS engines, all of which were capable of decent mileage, better mileage in many cases than smaller (capacity, though larger physically), less powerful DOHC units. Anything heavy with bad aerodynamics will not get good mileage regardless of engine. Too small an engine will get bad mileage as well as you have to wring the hell out of it to move the vehicle. Combine the larger engine with cylinder deactivation so you're not fueling 6 liters in traffic and you can get some pretty impressive numbers.

It's very similar to a diesel with the low end torque allowing for tall gearing. Who cares about revs when they don't need them. Of course, diesels are more efficient than gas to begin with. Plugging in the numbers, my vehicle will lose little performance using the 118d's drivetrain than an S2000's with far greater mileage.

Yeah...diesels really do own everything...


I honestly think that they are the only viable future of transportation at this point...

Since you can make the fuel from fryer oil...

evolutionmovement wrote:But the Corvette has used a series of LS engines, all of which were capable of decent mileage, better mileage in many cases than smaller (capacity, though larger physically), less powerful DOHC units.

Now I think it's time to specify what specific other DOHC engines your talking about, which could change my stance substantially....

555BCTurbo wrote:Since you can make the fuel from fryer oil...

Straining old grease doesn't qualify as "making" the fuel

James614 wrote: Straining old grease doesn't qualify as "making" the fuel

I agree...but where do you think that Biodiesel comes from?


Bio and Waste Veggie Oil are 2 very different things