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I was thinking of installing one of these http://www.frantzoil.com/home.html I read everything on the web site and it seems like it would be a good investment! what is your opinion?

Brian

A bypass oil filter is a good thing to have. I know Amsoil makes them for a variety of applications, but haven't heard of this one.

Jeff

Did you read it? they actually use toilet paper as the filter hahah

Just get a oem subaru filter.

why in hell would I pay the dealer price, for an oil filter that is no better then a regular one I could buy at a local auto parts store!!!! you obviously didn't read what a bypass filter is, you still retain the original filter a bypass filter just slowly and throughly filters your oil! if you have a bypass filter you would never have to change your oil again!

You do need to change your oil. You don't just change the oil because it gets contaminants in it but also because the oil breaks down over time and there are cleaning agents in it.

All myth oil never really breaks down! That’s just what the oil companies want you to believe how else would they sell oil!
Have you actually researched it? And even if you would have to change your oil, it would only be every once a year. The additives don't wear out either, I have talked with the Castrol rep that supplies oil for the wind turbines my company services and he even confirmed it. Also if you look on the Amsoil web site they clearly state that with the use of a bypass filter you only have to change your oil once a year!

Edit: I just read how to install it, my previous concern about it sapping oil pressure is probably unfounded. It feeds from the oil pressure sending unit, so everything else has already been oiled by the time it reaches this filter.

Really interesting. Though I'm skeptical about TP in the oil system. I can just imagine what'd happen if the media broke apart for any reason... (I don't run typical cardboard media spin-ons either, btw). I'd have to see it in action in high-heat environment.

These filters have been around for over 60 years and people swear by them I think that if they really had a problem with it coming apart inside the filter then people wouldn't use them but there are hundreds of testimonials on that web site!

Read this oil does not break down! http://www.frantzoil.com/page/page/5651679.htm

Oil becoming acidic from water or other contaminants is a form a break-down to most people. I don't think I've seen much or any propoganda from oil companies regarding the stuff breaking down. That would actually counter the quality claims of Amsoil, Mobil, etc. It's the filter companies, and service stations that perpetuate frequent change intervals for better business. Most manufacturers actually have change intervals 2 3 oe 4 times longer than 3000 miles if the proper filter (not a Fram replacement from Wal-Mart) is used.

And I'll look for some testimonials from someone other than the people making the product But I'm thinking this really isn't needed on a stock car. My oil is squeaky clean after 5k right now. Though it would be interesting to see what gets trapped in the filter media. Since it feeds from the top of the block, you get to see what's getting circulated and not just the crud laying on the bottom seen during an oil change.

This filter removes up to 6 ounces of water!!! and all other containments how would the oil break down then!!!! Service stations are the oil companies, you cant tell me that a Castrol service station is not an oil company advertising frequent changes!!! Amsoil does say that they have extended oil change intervals of up to 25,000 miles but it is with the use of a bypass filter!!! the filter you buy only filter up to 10 micron particles that not very good! these bypass filters have the ability to remove solid particles down to 1/10 of a micron thats (.000039") JUST BECAUSE YOUR OIL LOOKS CLEAN DOES NOT MEAN IT REALLY IS.

It's not just Shell or Castrol service stations. It's Joe's auto repair, Wal-Nart, Jiffy-Lube, Midas, and pretty much every place that has an interest in frequently servicing modern cars that don't need a mechanic's attention but once a year, if even that.

well thats besides the point lol all i'm saying is that it would be nice to only change your oil once a year, and have the piece of mind that your getting the extra protection of 1/10 of a micron filtration. I don't see any down side to that

You might not have to even change it once a year if you do oil analysis. With a bypass filter and oil analysis you may be able to get by with just changing filters and topping off the oil.

Jeff

my point exactly! hahah the only problem is I read that the additive package in your oil wears out but not the oil, so you wouldn't have to change the oil, but you would still have to add some additives every once in a while

You add those when you replace the oil that you lost when you change filters.

Jeff

Sounds like a pretty damn good deal to me lol

Honestly a oil job doesn't cost much. Why risk messing anything up?

I usually run my oil for 2500 hard driven miles. In my mind it's added insurance. I always stay consisant with my oil and filters

Not that I don't belive this thing, I just wouldn't want to leave the oil in my car for a year

Subiefusion, u have to be an idiot to believe that oil doesn't break down. My dad works hand n hand with an engineer that held the record in the 60s in a certain class and has built a hotrod from the ground up that takes first everytime he takes it to the track and has proved it to the DMV with his calculations to make it street legal and they have td me personally that oil breaks down it doesn't matter what kind of oil u use. They have personally tested almost every kind of there is even a quart of oil that is over $100 dollars a quart and it doesn't matter what Nyone else tells me but after time and heating it up so much it will break down in whatever kind of machine u use. That's like saying your inside of ur engine will never wear out. it is impossible for Two peices of metal rubbing together to never wear out, it doesn't matter what u use for lubricant it will eventually wear out. Also if this was the case everyone and there mother would have one of these on the
every piece of machinery ever made. Don't trust whAt they say. I'm not even goin to read it. A waste of my time if u ask me. U don't have to believe me either I don't care. But oil never breaking down.. Bullcrap

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Shaggy wrote:Subiefusion, u have to be an idiot to believe that oil doesn't break down. My dad works hand n hand with an engineer that held the record in the 60s in a certain class and has built a hotrod from the ground up that takes first everytime he takes it to the track and has proved it to the DMV with his calculations to make it street legal and they have td me personally that oil breaks down it doesn't matter what kind of oil u use. They have personally tested almost every kind of there is even a quart of oil that is over $100 dollars a quart and it doesn't matter what Nyone else tells me but after time and heating it up so much it will break down in whatever kind of machine u use. That's like saying your inside of ur engine will never wear out. it is impossible for Two peices of metal rubbing together to never wear out, it doesn't matter what u use for lubricant it will eventually wear out. Also if this was the case everyone and there mother would have one of these on the
every piece of machinery ever made. Don't trust whAt they say. I'm not even goin to read it. A waste of my time if u ask me. U don't have to believe me either I don't care. But oil never breaking down.. Bullcrap

Oil does not break down. The Additives do!

speedmaxx wrote:Honestly a oil job doesn't cost much. Why risk messing anything up?

I usually run my oil for 2500 hard driven miles. In my mind it's added insurance. I always stay consisant with my oil and filters

Not that I don't belive this thing, I just wouldn't want to leave the oil in my car for a year

why 2500? thats a waist of money! you can easily get 7000 miles out of synthetic oil! and what would you mess up?

why wouldn't anyone want the added protection of 1/10 of a micron filtration compared to the stock filters 10 micron filtration! does any one realize how small 1/10 of a micron really is and how big 10 microns is? thats a lot of added protection!

"I am often asked by a suspecting prospective customer “Doesn’t Oil Wear Out or Break Down?” This is brought about by myths, untrue stories, or mostly just by lack of knowledge of oil properties. My answer is always, “No, Oil gets dirty but it does not wear out.” This fact is substantiated by the U. S. Bureau of Standards, the Shell Oil Company, the U. S. Air Force, and many others. Combustion in an engine creates several byproducts including water, soot, carbon, heat, and gases. Let’s not concentrate on gasses because that is corrected by your smog system. Heat is another thing that is controlled by your cooling system. That leaves soot and water vapor and/or liquid. Of course metal wear is also happening and minute particles of metal or bearing material is mixed in the oil.

The water is often seen at the exhaust pipe dripping or in the form of white smoke. This is not harmful if the engine is run for a significant time for it to evaporate and dispense out the system but what happens when it doesn’t? On short runs to the post office or short trip to the store is harmful to the engine because this water doesn’t get a chance to burn off and will combine to form acid. This is bad.

Fortunately, the Frantz Oil Filter is efficient enough to eliminate or capture small quantities of water in liquid form and trap it from your lubrication system reducing the hazard to your mechanical parts. Frantz Oil Filters can remove or capture as much as six ounces of water. Do you realize how much six ounces actually is? It is 12 tablespoons, 177 milliliters, or 3/4 of a cup of liquid. Yes, similar to almost a cup of coffee."