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Ok guys,

Got a few questions. I am trying to gather some info, to help me decide what direction to go in for my Legacy.

Question is mainly about the gearing in the Legacy. According to my manual the FWD legacies have a final gear ratio of 3.700, and the AWD legacies have a final gear ratio of 4.111. Now this is for my year. I'm not sure if it is the same for subsequent years. What do those numbers actually mean? In the physical world, driving characteristics, acceleration, top speed, all that good stuff.

I really like how my auto is geared now. Each gear increases in speed by 40 mph increments. I have good low end torque from start, and pulls pretty good all the way to red line. This gives me a technical top speed of 160 mph. She's pretty much pegged at 130 mph.

Since the auto's are only 4 spds, I'm assuming the gears are pretty tall gears, correct?

I met up with two other subie guys yesterday and they both have 5spds AWD. I let them both drive my car to see if they felt the tranny was not shifting up to par. They both said my car is a lot quicker then theirs'. Especially from initial take off. Mike has a 95 brighten, and Dave has a 00 outback.

My future plans could or am contemplating swapping in a 5spd, and possibly converting car to AWD. After talking with them about their cars, I am really thinking of re-evaluating my plans. Like I said, I REALLY like how the car is geared now. Again, according to my manual, the autos share the same ratios in gears, but the final drive ratio is higher. Does this make the car have better low end pickup, or high end speed? From what they have said about their subies when driving down the highway, it sounds like a higher final drive ratio does not mean higher top speed. I think they said their rpm's are around 3500 or something like that around 70 mph. I don't hit 3000-3200 rpm till about 90 mph.

I'll attach a copy of that page I scanned out of my owners manual.

So with all that sorta said.....what are your guys' recommendations and such. Do you think I'll be happy with the gearing or acceleration/power if I did do the swap. I don't want you to take into consideration the money or time in the project....just the gearing, acceleration/power aspects, and such.

If I determine that I will not be happy with the swap outcome. I will get my current tranny rebuilt, add a shift kit, and possibly LSD, additional tranny cooler, and run synthetic.

I really appreciate any help, insight you can give me.

Also should note.....there is a fairly decent possibility I will be adding a turbo kit from forced air inductions a year or so down the line once I get things sorted out with the transmission issues.....if that would change anyone's mind in either direction.

Thanks again.

Josh

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All of the turbo's have 3.9 diffs and viscose LSD. I went to some
expense to install a 3.9 transmission and clutch LSD in my '94 turbo
Legacy-Imprezza as I found the 4.11 was not a very good ratio for cars
but it seems to work ok in the Legacy wagons. As far as I know all of
the Loyale turbo's had 3.7 LSD diffs. You might be real happy with a
3.7 LSD with a turbo on your car. The 3.7's are still around but the
Nissan people have ran the price up.
AL(CO)





--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <josh@s...> wrote:
> Ok guys,
>
> Got a few questions. I am trying to gather some info, to help me
decide what direction to go in for my Legacy.
>
> Question is mainly about the gearing in the Legacy. According to my
manual the FWD legacies have a final gear ratio of 3.700, and the AWD
legacies have a final gear ratio of 4.111. Now this is for my year.
I'm not sure if it is the same for subsequent years. What do those
numbers actually mean? In the physical world, driving characteristics,
acceleration, top speed, all that good stuff.
>
> I really like how my auto is geared now. Each gear increases in
speed by 40 mph increments. I have good low end torque from start, and
pulls pretty good all the way to red line. This gives me a technical
top speed of 160 mph. She's pretty much pegged at 130 mph.
>
> Since the auto's are only 4 spds, I'm assuming the gears are pretty
tall gears, correct?
>
> I met up with two other subie guys yesterday and they both have
5spds AWD. I let them both drive my car to see if they felt the tranny
was not shifting up to par. They both said my car is a lot quicker
then theirs'. Especially from initial take off. Mike has a 95
brighten, and Dave has a 00 outback.
>
> My future plans could or am contemplating swapping in a 5spd, and
possibly converting car to AWD. After talking with them about their
cars, I am really thinking of re-evaluating my plans. Like I said, I
REALLY like how the car is geared now. Again, according to my manual,
the autos share the same ratios in gears, but the final drive ratio is
higher. Does this make the car have better low end pickup, or high end
speed? From what they have said about their subies when driving down
the highway, it sounds like a higher final drive ratio does not mean
higher top speed. I think they said their rpm's are around 3500 or
something like that around 70 mph. I don't hit 3000-3200 rpm till
about 90 mph.
>
> I'll attach a copy of that page I scanned out of my owners manual.
>
> So with all that sorta said.....what are your guys' recommendations
and such. Do you think I'll be happy with the gearing or
acceleration/power if I did do the swap. I don't want you to take into
consideration the money or time in the project....just the gearing,
acceleration/power aspects, and such.
>
> If I determine that I will not be happy with the swap outcome. I
will get my current tranny rebuilt, add a shift kit, and possibly LSD,
additional tranny cooler, and run synthetic.
>
> I really appreciate any help, insight you can give me.
>
> Also should note.....there is a fairly decent possibility I will be
adding a turbo kit from forced air inductions a year or so down the
line once I get things sorted out with the transmission issues.....if
that would change anyone's mind in either direction.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Josh
>
> ************************************
> Josh Colombo
> <mailto:Josh@s...> Josh@s... **NEW**
>
> "Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************


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Thanks for the comments Al. So you think I could get a manual tranny with about the same gear ratios and such? Would they be a subie tranny? Is the 3.9 pretty much the same as the 3.7?

Thanks

Josh

************************************
Josh Colombo
Josh@surrealmirage.com <mailto:Josh@surrealmirage.com> **NEW**

"Life, an ever-changing melody
of beats and rhythm" - ME
************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: milehial2000 [mailto:acroxford@hypermall.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 9:41 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Gearing question


All of the turbo's have 3.9 diffs and viscose LSD. I went to some
expense to install a 3.9 transmission and clutch LSD in my '94 turbo
Legacy-Imprezza as I found the 4.11 was not a very good ratio for cars
but it seems to work ok in the Legacy wagons. As far as I know all of
the Loyale turbo's had 3.7 LSD diffs. You might be real happy with a
3.7 LSD with a turbo on your car. The 3.7's are still around but the
Nissan people have ran the price up.
AL(CO)





--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <josh@s...> wrote:
> Ok guys,
>
> Got a few questions. I am trying to gather some info, to help me
decide what direction to go in for my Legacy.
>
> Question is mainly about the gearing in the Legacy. According to my
manual the FWD legacies have a final gear ratio of 3.700, and the AWD
legacies have a final gear ratio of 4.111. Now this is for my year.
I'm not sure if it is the same for subsequent years. What do those
numbers actually mean? In the physical world, driving characteristics,
acceleration, top speed, all that good stuff.
>
> I really like how my auto is geared now. Each gear increases in
speed by 40 mph increments. I have good low end torque from start, and
pulls pretty good all the way to red line. This gives me a technical
top speed of 160 mph. She's pretty much pegged at 130 mph.
>
> Since the auto's are only 4 spds, I'm assuming the gears are pretty
tall gears, correct?
>
> I met up with two other subie guys yesterday and they both have
5spds AWD. I let them both drive my car to see if they felt the tranny
was not shifting up to par. They both said my car is a lot quicker
then theirs'. Especially from initial take off. Mike has a 95
brighten, and Dave has a 00 outback.
>
> My future plans could or am contemplating swapping in a 5spd, and
possibly converting car to AWD. After talking with them about their
cars, I am really thinking of re-evaluating my plans. Like I said, I
REALLY like how the car is geared now. Again, according to my manual,
the autos share the same ratios in gears, but the final drive ratio is
higher. Does this make the car have better low end pickup, or high end
speed? From what they have said about their subies when driving down
the highway, it sounds like a higher final drive ratio does not mean
higher top speed. I think they said their rpm's are around 3500 or
something like that around 70 mph. I don't hit 3000-3200 rpm till
about 90 mph.
>
> I'll attach a copy of that page I scanned out of my owners manual.
>
> So with all that sorta said.....what are your guys' recommendations
and such. Do you think I'll be happy with the gearing or
acceleration/power if I did do the swap. I don't want you to take into
consideration the money or time in the project....just the gearing,
acceleration/power aspects, and such.
>
> If I determine that I will not be happy with the swap outcome. I
will get my current tranny rebuilt, add a shift kit, and possibly LSD,
additional tranny cooler, and run synthetic.
>
> I really appreciate any help, insight you can give me.
>
> Also should note.....there is a fairly decent possibility I will be
adding a turbo kit from forced air inductions a year or so down the
line once I get things sorted out with the transmission issues.....if
that would change anyone's mind in either direction.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Josh
>
> ************************************
> Josh Colombo
> <mailto:Josh@s...> Josh@s... **NEW**
>
> "Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************



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I think you could I got a version 3 tranny out of a '99 Legacy GT that
had been rolled and installed the clutch type LSD in a 3.9 rear diff.
This setup works well. With the 4.11 ratio I was slower at the strip
because 1st gear was so deep that I would hit the rev limiter and have
to shift immediately. Other people I know have gone the 3.9 route
also. The 3.7 might be a little better and like I said the diff assy
is still available but expensive and you would have to install a 3.7
in the transmission and that might be even more of a project.
AL(CO)



--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <josh@s...> wrote:
> Thanks for the comments Al. So you think I could get a manual
tranny with about the same gear ratios and such? Would they be a
subie tranny? Is the 3.9 pretty much the same as the 3.7?
>
> Thanks
>
> Josh
>
> ************************************
> Josh Colombo
> Josh@s... <mailto:Josh@s...> **NEW**
>
> "Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: milehial2000 [mailto:acroxford@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 9:41 PM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Gearing question
>
>
> All of the turbo's have 3.9 diffs and viscose LSD. I went to some
> expense to install a 3.9 transmission and clutch LSD in my '94 turbo
> Legacy-Imprezza as I found the 4.11 was not a very good ratio for
cars
> but it seems to work ok in the Legacy wagons. As far as I know all
of
> the Loyale turbo's had 3.7 LSD diffs. You might be real happy with a
> 3.7 LSD with a turbo on your car. The 3.7's are still around but the
> Nissan people have ran the price up.
> AL(CO)
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <josh@s...> wrote:
> > Ok guys,
> >
> > Got a few questions. I am trying to gather some info, to help me
> decide what direction to go in for my Legacy.
> >
> > Question is mainly about the gearing in the Legacy. According to
my
> manual the FWD legacies have a final gear ratio of 3.700, and the
AWD
> legacies have a final gear ratio of 4.111. Now this is for my year.
> I'm not sure if it is the same for subsequent years. What do those
> numbers actually mean? In the physical world, driving
characteristics,
> acceleration, top speed, all that good stuff.
> >
> > I really like how my auto is geared now. Each gear increases in
> speed by 40 mph increments. I have good low end torque from start,
and
> pulls pretty good all the way to red line. This gives me a technical
> top speed of 160 mph. She's pretty much pegged at 130 mph.
> >
> > Since the auto's are only 4 spds, I'm assuming the gears are
pretty
> tall gears, correct?
> >
> > I met up with two other subie guys yesterday and they both have
> 5spds AWD. I let them both drive my car to see if they felt the
tranny
> was not shifting up to par. They both said my car is a lot quicker
> then theirs'. Especially from initial take off. Mike has a 95
> brighten, and Dave has a 00 outback.
> >
> > My future plans could or am contemplating swapping in a 5spd, and
> possibly converting car to AWD. After talking with them about their
> cars, I am really thinking of re-evaluating my plans. Like I said, I
> REALLY like how the car is geared now. Again, according to my
manual,
> the autos share the same ratios in gears, but the final drive ratio
is
> higher. Does this make the car have better low end pickup, or high
end
> speed? From what they have said about their subies when driving down
> the highway, it sounds like a higher final drive ratio does not mean
> higher top speed. I think they said their rpm's are around 3500 or
> something like that around 70 mph. I don't hit 3000-3200 rpm till
> about 90 mph.
> >
> > I'll attach a copy of that page I scanned out of my owners manual.
> >
> > So with all that sorta said.....what are your guys'
recommendations
> and such. Do you think I'll be happy with the gearing or
> acceleration/power if I did do the swap. I don't want you to take
into
> consideration the money or time in the project....just the gearing,
> acceleration/power aspects, and such.
> >
> > If I determine that I will not be happy with the swap outcome. I
> will get my current tranny rebuilt, add a shift kit, and possibly
LSD,
> additional tranny cooler, and run synthetic.
> >
> > I really appreciate any help, insight you can give me.
> >
> > Also should note.....there is a fairly decent possibility I will
be
> adding a turbo kit from forced air inductions a year or so down the
> line once I get things sorted out with the transmission
issues.....if
> that would change anyone's mind in either direction.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > ************************************
> > Josh Colombo
> > <mailto:Josh@s...> Josh@s... **NEW**
> >
> > "Life, an ever-changing melody
> > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > ************************************
>
>
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