New Coil/Wires/Plugs STILL Arcing - Update on Bogging Thread

dyenny · Post by **dyenny** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:23 am

Ok, I have another post regarding my on going hesitation and bogging on my 94 SS.

http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=30496

If you've followed my progress on this....here is my dilema now.

First of all. I replaced a few of the grounds under the hood tonight with some 4AWG wire and ring terminals. Right now I've done the battery to core support and battery to transmission. I also cleaned up the grounds on the driver's side by the strut mount.

After I test drove and the car was really seeming to run better (it always runs pretty good when its cold since I've been replacing stuff).

After a nice 12 mile spirited drive my bogging/hesitation came back. Seems not as bad but there is still something wrong with this car. So, I pull it in the garage and its doing its normal hot idle slight miss.

I pop the hood just to see how my ground were doing and I noticed that my brand new Diamond Coil was arcing in the EXACT same place as the orignal (which is why I replaced it). Then I happened to notice that I came produce this arc NOT ONLY on the coil but I can get a nice blue spark out of a wire on either side of the coil by snapping the throttle (now this only works most of the time).

So, now this car has completely thrown me for a loop. Because I'm assuming this ignition problem (which I thought I had fixed with the new parts) is my slight idle miss and hesitation/bogging problemo.

I just find it hard to believe that the first set of wires (that came on it), a set off a parts car I pulled, and the new wires would be bad. I also find it really hard to find that all three of the coil packs that I have had on this car (including the brand new latest model Diamond coil - which is on there now) are bad.

Anyone, guys/gals, ladies/gents have ANY idea or clue why I might still be seeing this arcing on the coil and wires after what I have replaced? Because I just do NOT get it....haha

dyenny · Post by **dyenny** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:46 am

I forgot to mention regarding the arcing. It is a faint arc right in the middle of the front of the coil pack. I can not tell if it is jumping from thr metal "magnet" (that surrounds the plastic) to the intake or from the "magnet" to the plastic piece itself.

I'm kinda wondering if it couldn't be the new wires that are creating the coil to arc. The are the cheap Autozone brand but new none the less. I don't see them as an issue because the only arcing I am seeing at idle would be from that coil. Now, this blue illuminating spark from the wires when I snap the throttle is definitely something new because I can't see my missing that before.

gto7419 · Post by **gto7419** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:41 am

I dont claim to be an expert, but crappy spark plug wires have been known to cause issues w/arching on other cars...

Danny

dyenny · Post by **dyenny** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:56 pm

Crappy as in a cheap brand or old parts?

Dunno, I hope to god my new coil is still good.

dyenny · Post by **dyenny** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:24 am

Well THANKS for the help everyone!

I somehow managed to catch the car on fire working on it in my garage. It went up in flames under the hood. I ran in the house to call 911. 10 minutes later the fire dept came to put it all out.

Everything under the hood is just melted to shit. The front of the car is metled (nothing left). The winshield/dash/interior are either melted, smoke damaged or water damaged.

I'm going to assume that the perfect shifting 4EAT is stiill good minus the wiring. But I dont think I am going to piss with removing anything. I might try to siphon the full tank of gas out for my SVX. Take a couple things (maybe) and get my friend with the F350 dually to come down and haul it to the recylcing yard. Sad it does seem someone might be able to put it back together if they had say a car with a rotted frame but Im just going to junk it. Ill haul it to the scrap yard next week.

dzx · Post by **dzx** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:57 am

That's crazy

you should at least pull the engine. The block should still be good maybe

ericem · Post by **ericem** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:16 am

How the heck did you get it to go up in flames ??????????????????????????? And u didn't even attempt to put out the fire!!

dyenny · Post by **dyenny** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:28 pm

Dude, I dont even know. 27 cars I've owned in 3 years +/- almost every one I have had to do minor to extensive work and nothing like this has remotely happened.

As far as putting the fire out. I wish I would have tried.....because that is the pnly one of my three cars that I only carried liability on (year/miles). And I'm just quite certain that homeowners ins will have nothing to do with this situation (if anything my car insurance would cover the garage). Well, Hell I did not only make the 6 oclock news but the 11 oclock news too......haha

I really thought for some reason the car was gonna blow up. And I had my SVX and our Mountaineer parked within 6 foot either direction of this blazing car. My first thought after calling 911 was to move them away from the car in the garage out of the driveway before the fire dept got here.

gto7419 · Post by **gto7419** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:16 pm

Wow, thats crazy

. Do you know what caused it?

ivwarrior · Post by **ivwarrior** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:24 pm

Wow, sorry to hear about that. I think my first thought would have been to get the flaming car out of the garage into the driveway, though....

gto7419 · Post by **gto7419** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:32 pm

ivwarrior wrote:Wow, sorry to hear about that. I think my first thought would have been to get the flaming car out of the garage into the driveway, though....

Right into the neighbor's yard...

Splinter · Post by **Splinter** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:37 pm

My first thought would be to throw a wet rag ontop of the fire, close the hood, and turn off the car so if the fuel lines melted, it wasnt pumping gas into the bay...

Shitty deal dude

At least you're not hurt

dyenny · Post by **dyenny** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:10 pm

The car was not running at the point when it caught on fire. Still not sure what caused it but im pretty sure it was something I had done....so I really dont even want to think about it.

I never thought to close the hood. Maybe if I had done that the damage might have been minimized but I'm doubtful because it went up in flames under the hood rather quick.

dyenny · Post by **dyenny** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:19 am

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/vie ... id=4119319

There are a few pictures of the :

RIP: 94 SS Sedan (almost made it to 1/4 million miles).

Dustin

MPtyza · Post by **MPtyza** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:36 am

I've found that a leaking fuel injector can lead to a damn fire under the hood. Though the first fire on my SS was of a cause unknown, and the second was when the engine blew, actual cause unknown, the third was caused by an injector leaking from the upper o ring

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:52 am

DON'T junk the block!!!!!!!

Yank it and sell it!

I got $900 just for the closed deck case alone!

While I doubt you will get this, that block is worth money!

ericem · Post by **ericem** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:24 am

dam, i could have used that hood, and bumper

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New Coil/Wires/Plugs STILL Arcing - Update on Bogging Thread

New Coil/Wires/Plugs STILL Arcing - Update on Bogging Thread