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How to measure the boost?

Post by Miguelito »

Hey please, someone comment on this, how do you measure the actual
boost you're using? When accelerating with "half trottle" I have
about 0.70-0.90 bar boost (~10-13psi), depending on the current gear,
but if I "floor it", at least on fourth or fifth gear, the boost
might climb up to 1.2-1.25 (or even 1.3) bar (~18-19psi)... what
boost am I running on???

Another thing, I'll probably buy the 2.5" exhaust mentioned earlier,
(I'll have it for ~$110) and I plan to take my car to the dyno JUST
BEFORE AND DIRECTLY AFTER the installation, so I guess we'll know
then if it helped at all... It will of course cost me a little extra
when doing two runs on the dyno, but hey, who cares when you wanna
check something out regarding your Subaru... and help your Subaru
mates at the same time... ;) I'll request separate sheets from the
runs and I'll scan them and post them for everyone to see. It might
take some time though, cause we have a regulation here in Finland
which says we MUST change to "winter tyres" in december, and you
can't run your car on the dyno with them. So, it might be that I have
to wait with the installation of the other pipe until february-
march....

cheers,

Miguelito


--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, awdturbodude@y... wrote:
> I fully agree, I'm a bit worried with a boost that high. I already
> had problems with the boost regulator, had to "fool" the boost
> solenoid by attaching a vacuum line "T" and a piece of extra hose
in
> one of the hoses that goes to the solenoid. Then we put a 0,6mm
> nozzle (or whatever the english name for it is) on the extra hose
so
> now the solenoid "thinks" the boost is 'bout 0.15bar less than it
> really is. The bigger nozzle (or whatever...), the more I fool the
> solenoid. Sounds like a crazy thing to do, but the guys at Prodrive
> in the U.K. thought that it would do the same as a piece of
software
> that they sell (GBP200), although they had never trie it... Anyway,
> it works, so now then boost cut defender doesn't bother anymore,
but
> still of course, the problem is there, too much boost.
> BTW, when John C said that he runs on 11PSI boost, I guess that
> doesn't mean top boost, how/when do you measure the "normal" boost,
> is it when running with steady throttle, and not "everything she's
> got"?
>
> cheers,
>
> Miguelito
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, "JohnnyG" <grilla@i...> wrote:
> > 11 to 12lb is about right for a stock EJ20 220hp... if you have
no
> other
> > wastegate atuator delaying mods, you have a chip which is
probably
> raising
> > the MAP sensor input sensing to "fool" the engine management
system.
> >
> > Mind you... running 18lb on a stock MAP sensor must be getting
> close to
> > "flat-lining" the sensor output. If you have no other boost
control
> or
> > engine strengthening, you are asking for trouble runniing 18lb.
> >
> > The name of the game is to build boost early... not raise the
peak
> boost as
> > such.
> >
> > John Gillon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Miguelito <awdturbodude@y...>
> > To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 10:47 AM
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] RE: EJ20G HP's
> >
> >
> > > Hi John (again...)
> > >
> > > I'd guess your car is 'bout the same as mine... here it's just
> > > called "200 Turbo"... my guess is therefore that you should have
> > > 200HP (stock).
> > > However, I recommened that you dyno-test it, cause the garage
> where
> > > all modifications were made to my car ( www.stmotors.fi ), they
> told
> > > me that the actual power output varies a lot amongst Subarus.
For
> > > example, my previous car was also a 200 Turbo, '92 model, chip
> > > upgraded, and when we drove it on their dyno, it only had
> 216HP... no
> > > other mods were made on that car, but anyway... They've had some
> > > (stock) turbo Legacies there with under 200HP when tested.
> > > Another thing, you say you run it on 11 psi boost, if I've
> converted
> > > that correctly, it's 'bout 0.75 bar (correct me if I'm wrong!),
> and
> > > that sounds a bit low. Is that 11psi on fourth or fifth gear,
> going
> > > up a hill with your foot half an inch thru the floor... Don't
get
> me
> > > wrong, that's how I measure the top boost on my car. Anyway,
under
> > > those circumstances I have 'bout 18psi boost (again,
calculating
> it
> > > from 1.25bar).
> > >
> > > I could of course be VERY wrong here... maybe this is the
moment
> to
> > > ask someone how psi is converted to bar, and vice versa!
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Miguelito
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, "penty" <penty@n...> wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody happen to know what HP I have on my 2L Lagacy 4
cam
> > > turbo I am from the UK so it has water intercooler as standard.
> > > >
> > > > What is standard for this car ? and now I have it at 11 psi
> boost ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: JohnnyG
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 65 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] LegacyWorks Registry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perfectly logical engine configuration for your model, Ralph
> > > >
> > > > I have learnt from this forum, that the UK / Euro 200hp
> version
> > > is a variant
> > > > on the Japanese 220hp version... probably to meet your
> emission
> > > > regulations... I guess that what the NW2BD suffix defines.
> > > >
> > > > John Gillon
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: RALPH <ralph.jarvis@u...>
> > > > To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 102 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] LegacyWorks Registry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just to confuse matters more on the issue
> > > > > of engine models etc...
> > > > > I own a 1994 BC 2L Quad cam intercooled
> > > > > turbo.(200hp model)
> > > > > The engine IS a EJ20G (EJ20GNW2BD)
> > > > > but it has a sand cast block and hydrolic
> > > > > lifters.
> > > > > Now where does that leave us!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmmmmmmmm
> > > > > Ralph :->
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > BC-BFLegacyWorks-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > BC-BFLegacyWorks-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >


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How to measure the boost?

Post by JohnnyG »

If you keep your foot into it, and the boost peaks and whatever pressure is
"maintained" (subjective) whilst you keep your foot into it.... till the
point where you run out of rev range, road, or courage.... is the boost that
you are developing.

John Gillon

----- Original Message -----
From: Miguelito <awdturbodude@yahoo.com>
To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:58 PM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] How to measure the boost?


> Hey please, someone comment on this, how do you measure the actual
> boost you're using? When accelerating with "half trottle" I have
> about 0.70-0.90 bar boost (~10-13psi), depending on the current gear,
> but if I "floor it", at least on fourth or fifth gear, the boost
> might climb up to 1.2-1.25 (or even 1.3) bar (~18-19psi)... what
> boost am I running on???
>
> Another thing, I'll probably buy the 2.5" exhaust mentioned earlier,
> (I'll have it for ~$110) and I plan to take my car to the dyno JUST
> BEFORE AND DIRECTLY AFTER the installation, so I guess we'll know
> then if it helped at all... It will of course cost me a little extra
> when doing two runs on the dyno, but hey, who cares when you wanna
> check something out regarding your Subaru... and help your Subaru
> mates at the same time... ;) I'll request separate sheets from the
> runs and I'll scan them and post them for everyone to see. It might
> take some time though, cause we have a regulation here in Finland
> which says we MUST change to "winter tyres" in december, and you
> can't run your car on the dyno with them. So, it might be that I have
> to wait with the installation of the other pipe until february-
> march....
>
> cheers,
>
> Miguelito
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, awdturbodude@y... wrote:
> > I fully agree, I'm a bit worried with a boost that high. I already
> > had problems with the boost regulator, had to "fool" the boost
> > solenoid by attaching a vacuum line "T" and a piece of extra hose
> in
> > one of the hoses that goes to the solenoid. Then we put a 0,6mm
> > nozzle (or whatever the english name for it is) on the extra hose
> so
> > now the solenoid "thinks" the boost is 'bout 0.15bar less than it
> > really is. The bigger nozzle (or whatever...), the more I fool the
> > solenoid. Sounds like a crazy thing to do, but the guys at Prodrive
> > in the U.K. thought that it would do the same as a piece of
> software
> > that they sell (GBP200), although they had never trie it... Anyway,
> > it works, so now then boost cut defender doesn't bother anymore,
> but
> > still of course, the problem is there, too much boost.
> > BTW, when John C said that he runs on 11PSI boost, I guess that
> > doesn't mean top boost, how/when do you measure the "normal" boost,
> > is it when running with steady throttle, and not "everything she's
> > got"?
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Miguelito
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, "JohnnyG" <grilla@i...> wrote:
> > > 11 to 12lb is about right for a stock EJ20 220hp... if you have
> no
> > other
> > > wastegate atuator delaying mods, you have a chip which is
> probably
> > raising
> > > the MAP sensor input sensing to "fool" the engine management
> system.
> > >
> > > Mind you... running 18lb on a stock MAP sensor must be getting
> > close to
> > > "flat-lining" the sensor output. If you have no other boost
> control
> > or
> > > engine strengthening, you are asking for trouble runniing 18lb.
> > >
> > > The name of the game is to build boost early... not raise the
> peak
> > boost as
> > > such.
> > >
> > > John Gillon
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Miguelito <awdturbodude@y...>
> > > To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 10:47 AM
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] RE: EJ20G HP's
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi John (again...)
> > > >
> > > > I'd guess your car is 'bout the same as mine... here it's just
> > > > called "200 Turbo"... my guess is therefore that you should have
> > > > 200HP (stock).
> > > > However, I recommened that you dyno-test it, cause the garage
> > where
> > > > all modifications were made to my car ( www.stmotors.fi ), they
> > told
> > > > me that the actual power output varies a lot amongst Subarus.
> For
> > > > example, my previous car was also a 200 Turbo, '92 model, chip
> > > > upgraded, and when we drove it on their dyno, it only had
> > 216HP... no
> > > > other mods were made on that car, but anyway... They've had some
> > > > (stock) turbo Legacies there with under 200HP when tested.
> > > > Another thing, you say you run it on 11 psi boost, if I've
> > converted
> > > > that correctly, it's 'bout 0.75 bar (correct me if I'm wrong!),
> > and
> > > > that sounds a bit low. Is that 11psi on fourth or fifth gear,
> > going
> > > > up a hill with your foot half an inch thru the floor... Don't
> get
> > me
> > > > wrong, that's how I measure the top boost on my car. Anyway,
> under
> > > > those circumstances I have 'bout 18psi boost (again,
> calculating
> > it
> > > > from 1.25bar).
> > > >
> > > > I could of course be VERY wrong here... maybe this is the
> moment
> > to
> > > > ask someone how psi is converted to bar, and vice versa!
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Miguelito
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, "penty" <penty@n...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anybody happen to know what HP I have on my 2L Lagacy 4
> cam
> > > > turbo I am from the UK so it has water intercooler as standard.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is standard for this car ? and now I have it at 11 psi
> > boost ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: JohnnyG
> > > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 65 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] LegacyWorks Registry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Perfectly logical engine configuration for your model, Ralph
> > > > >
> > > > > I have learnt from this forum, that the UK / Euro 200hp
> > version
> > > > is a variant
> > > > > on the Japanese 220hp version... probably to meet your
> > emission
> > > > > regulations... I guess that what the NW2BD suffix defines.
> > > > >
> > > > > John Gillon
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: RALPH <ralph.jarvis@u...>
> > > > > To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 102 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] LegacyWorks Registry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Just to confuse matters more on the issue
> > > > > > of engine models etc...
> > > > > > I own a 1994 BC 2L Quad cam intercooled
> > > > > > turbo.(200hp model)
> > > > > > The engine IS a EJ20G (EJ20GNW2BD)
> > > > > > but it has a sand cast block and hydrolic
> > > > > > lifters.
> > > > > > Now where does that leave us!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmmmmmmmmm
> > > > > > Ralph :->
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > BC-BFLegacyWorks-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > BC-BFLegacyWorks-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
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How to measure the boost?

Post by Miguelito »

OK, so my chip and exhaust/air filter modifications apparently raised
the boost from 0.75bar (stock, e.g. John C) to 1.25 , or even
1.3bar..... Jeessuuuss!!! I'll probably blow my engine tomorrow now
that I know it's this far from stock (the chip was there when I
bought the car)!

Thanks anyway...

Miguelito



--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, "JohnnyG" <grilla@i...> wrote:
> If you keep your foot into it, and the boost peaks and whatever
pressure is
> "maintained" (subjective) whilst you keep your foot into it....
till the
> point where you run out of rev range, road, or courage.... is the
boost that
> you are developing.
>
> John Gillon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Miguelito <awdturbodude@y...>
> To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:58 PM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] How to measure the boost?
>
>
> > Hey please, someone comment on this, how do you measure the actual
> > boost you're using? When accelerating with "half trottle" I have
> > about 0.70-0.90 bar boost (~10-13psi), depending on the current
gear,
> > but if I "floor it", at least on fourth or fifth gear, the boost
> > might climb up to 1.2-1.25 (or even 1.3) bar (~18-19psi)... what
> > boost am I running on???
> >
> > Another thing, I'll probably buy the 2.5" exhaust mentioned
earlier,
> > (I'll have it for ~$110) and I plan to take my car to the dyno
JUST
> > BEFORE AND DIRECTLY AFTER the installation, so I guess we'll know
> > then if it helped at all... It will of course cost me a little
extra
> > when doing two runs on the dyno, but hey, who cares when you wanna
> > check something out regarding your Subaru... and help your Subaru
> > mates at the same time... ;) I'll request separate sheets from the
> > runs and I'll scan them and post them for everyone to see. It
might
> > take some time though, cause we have a regulation here in Finland
> > which says we MUST change to "winter tyres" in december, and you
> > can't run your car on the dyno with them. So, it might be that I
have
> > to wait with the installation of the other pipe until february-
> > march....
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Miguelito
> >
> >



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How to measure the boost?

Post by penty »

I will be very interested to hear the difference, 2.5 opposed to standard; as this will decide if I get one.

cheero

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Miguelito <mailto:awdturbodude@yahoo.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:58 PM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] How to measure the boost?

Hey please, someone comment on this, how do you measure the actual
boost you're using? When accelerating with "half trottle" I have
about 0.70-0.90 bar boost (~10-13psi), depending on the current gear,
but if I "floor it", at least on fourth or fifth gear, the boost
might climb up to 1.2-1.25 (or even 1.3) bar (~18-19psi)... what
boost am I running on???

Another thing, I'll probably buy the 2.5" exhaust mentioned earlier,
(I'll have it for ~$110) and I plan to take my car to the dyno JUST
BEFORE AND DIRECTLY AFTER the installation, so I guess we'll know
then if it helped at all... It will of course cost me a little extra
when doing two runs on the dyno, but hey, who cares when you wanna
check something out regarding your Subaru... and help your Subaru
mates at the same time... ;) I'll request separate sheets from the
runs and I'll scan them and post them for everyone to see. It might
take some time though, cause we have a regulation here in Finland
which says we MUST change to "winter tyres" in december, and you
can't run your car on the dyno with them. So, it might be that I have
to wait with the installation of the other pipe until february-
march....

cheers,

Miguelito


--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, awdturbodude@y... wrote:
> I fully agree, I'm a bit worried with a boost that high. I already
> had problems with the boost regulator, had to "fool" the boost
> solenoid by attaching a vacuum line "T" and a piece of extra hose
in
> one of the hoses that goes to the solenoid. Then we put a 0,6mm
> nozzle (or whatever the english name for it is) on the extra hose
so
> now the solenoid "thinks" the boost is 'bout 0.15bar less than it
> really is. The bigger nozzle (or whatever...), the more I fool the
> solenoid. Sounds like a crazy thing to do, but the guys at Prodrive
> in the U.K. thought that it would do the same as a piece of
software
> that they sell (GBP200), although they had never trie it... Anyway,
> it works, so now then boost cut defender doesn't bother anymore,
but
> still of course, the problem is there, too much boost.
> BTW, when John C said that he runs on 11PSI boost, I guess that
> doesn't mean top boost, how/when do you measure the "normal" boost,
> is it when running with steady throttle, and not "everything she's
> got"?
>
> cheers,
>
> Miguelito
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, "JohnnyG" < grilla@i...> wrote:
> > 11 to 12lb is about right for a stock EJ20 220hp... if you have
no
> other
> > wastegate atuator delaying mods, you have a chip which is
probably
> raising
> > the MAP sensor input sensing to "fool" the engine management
system.
> >
> > Mind you... running 18lb on a stock MAP sensor must be getting
> close to
> > "flat-lining" the sensor output. If you have no other boost
control
> or
> > engine strengthening, you are asking for trouble runniing 18lb.
> >
> > The name of the game is to build boost early... not raise the
peak
> boost as
> > such.
> >
> > John Gillon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Miguelito < awdturbodude@y...>
> > To: < BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 10:47 AM
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] RE: EJ20G HP's
> >
> >
> > > Hi John (again...)
> > >
> > > I'd guess your car is 'bout the same as mine... here it's just
> > > called "200 Turbo"... my guess is therefore that you should have
> > > 200HP (stock).
> > > However, I recommened that you dyno-test it, cause the garage
> where
> > > all modifications were made to my car ( www.stmotors.fi ), they
> told
> > > me that the actual power output varies a lot amongst Subarus.
For
> > > example, my previous car was also a 200 Turbo, '92 model, chip
> > > upgraded, and when we drove it on their dyno, it only had
> 216HP... no
> > > other mods were made on that car, but anyway... They've had some
> > > (stock) turbo Legacies there with under 200HP when tested.
> > > Another thing, you say you run it on 11 psi boost, if I've
> converted
> > > that correctly, it's 'bout 0.75 bar (correct me if I'm wrong!),
> and
> > > that sounds a bit low. Is that 11psi on fourth or fifth gear,
> going
> > > up a hill with your foot half an inch thru the floor... Don't
get
> me
> > > wrong, that's how I measure the top boost on my car. Anyway,
under
> > > those circumstances I have 'bout 18psi boost (again,
calculating
> it
> > > from 1.25bar).
> > >
> > > I could of course be VERY wrong here... maybe this is the
moment
> to
> > > ask someone how psi is converted to bar, and vice versa!
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Miguelito
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, "penty" < penty@n...> wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody happen to know what HP I have on my 2L Lagacy 4
cam
> > > turbo I am from the UK so it has water intercooler as standard.
> > > >
> > > > What is standard for this car ? and now I have it at 11 psi
> boost ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: JohnnyG
> > > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 65 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] LegacyWorks Registry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perfectly logical engine configuration for your model, Ralph
> > > >
> > > > I have learnt from this forum, that the UK / Euro 200hp
> version
> > > is a variant
> > > > on the Japanese 220hp version... probably to meet your
> emission
> > > > regulations... I guess that what the NW2BD suffix defines.
> > > >
> > > > John Gillon
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: RALPH < ralph.jarvis@u...>
> > > > To: < BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 102 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] LegacyWorks Registry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just to confuse matters more on the issue
> > > > > of engine models etc...
> > > > > I own a 1994 BC 2L Quad cam intercooled
> > > > > turbo.(200hp model)
> > > > > The engine IS a EJ20G (EJ20GNW2BD)
> > > > > but it has a sand cast block and hydrolic
> > > > > lifters.
> > > > > Now where does that leave us!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmmmmmmmm
> > > > > Ralph :->
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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