Engine Size & Swaps

[Gregg Holliday]

What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw a
pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.


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[Dave C]

All the 4cyl engines will fit, from the 1.8 to the 2.5, without much
issue.

There's been talk in the Legacy forum at the i-club about 3.3l
swaps into the Legacy, but i can't recall ever actually seeing
proof it's been done. Theoretically it's possible, as the
transmission should bolt right up, and exhaust routing should be
pretty straightforward.

Other issues like the ECU would be important, as the 3.3l uses
more sensors to keep track of internal events than the fours.

Honestly, turbocharging a four is the easiest thing to do and
doesn't require any serious modification to engine electronics to
work well. Rod has a very fast 2.2 that's turbocharged right,
nothing spectacular, but definitely effective.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Gregg Holliday"
<shemeryahu@y...> wrote:
> What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
> Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I
saw a
> pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too
sure.


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[Daniel Wilson]

Yep the SVX engine should fit.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Gregg Holliday" <shemeryahu@y...>
wrote:
> What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
> Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw
a
> pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.


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[Ian Shastko]

what does the SVX put out? it there that much more horse power to make it
worthwhile?

>From: "Daniel Wilson" <daniel.wilson@db.co.nz>
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:20:48 -0000
>
>Yep the SVX engine should fit.
>
>--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Gregg Holliday" <shemeryahu@y...>
>wrote:
> > What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
> > Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw
>a
> > pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.
>


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[Dave C]

Is 230HP worthwhile?

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Ian Shastko" <smotocon@h...> wrote:
>
> what does the SVX put out? it there that much more horse power to
make it
> worthwhile?


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[Daniel Wilson]

Yes but you can get crap loads more out of it. Plus the remember the
original question. Which was, What was the largest engine you could
put into a Legacy.

Dan

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Dave C" <legacycentral@y...> wrote:
> Is 230HP worthwhile?
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Ian Shastko" <smotocon@h...> wrote:
> >
> > what does the SVX put out? it there that much more horse power to
> make it
> > worthwhile?


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[Rod Grosvenor]

Gregg-I did some measurements on my `92 & came to realize the most feasible thing to do is stroke a 2.2 to 2.4 liter; the cost is reasonable, parts are available & there will actually be room for things like an intercooler, nitrous, etc. Would you like to work on an early Legacy with a 3.3 engine in it? Not me!!! Good luck---ROD (AZ.)

----- Original Message -----
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To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Engine Size & Swaps

What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw a
pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.



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[Samuel Barrett]

Ian,

Have you ever put a V8 in a volkswagon beetle? Could you imagine what it
would be like driving one that had been modified that way? The front end
would be lightened considerably, even to the point of requiring
counterloading. The drivetrain would have to be beefed up and the mounts for
the engine would have to be completely re-designed, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

Now, with that said, I'm using an extream example here. A better example
would be putting a RX-7 rotory in a Miata... O.K. maybe not, but you get the
point. Putting a SVX engine would not be as insane as putting a v8 in a
beetle. However, the handling performance of the machine would change
considerably. It would dive through corners more because of the added weight
up front. All sorts of physical loads the chasis was designed for would be
weighted differently than what they were designed for. If you added any kind
of additional goodies to the engine bay, like an intercooler, you'd have to
get real handy with welding torch and fiberglass to accomodate. Batteries
and things would have to be put under seats or in trunks... Anything is
possible with enough time and $$. But why? Why not get 350 horses out of the
4 clylender and spend 3/4ths the cash, and have something in the end that is
weighted correctly? Or go buy an Audi...

-Sambo

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Shastko [mailto:smotocon@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:57 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps



what does the SVX put out? it there that much more horse power to make it
worthwhile?

>From: "Daniel Wilson" <daniel.wilson@db.co.nz>
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:20:48 -0000
>
>Yep the SVX engine should fit.
>
>--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Gregg Holliday" <shemeryahu@y...>
>wrote:
> > What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
> > Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw
>a
> > pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.
>


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[acroxford@hypermall.net]

I just worked on the Legacy that has the SVX motor in it and the owner
mentioned that he was thinking of selling it.
AL(CO)



--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod Grosvenor" <roderic@c...> wrote:
> Gregg-I did some measurements on my `92 & came to realize the most
feasible thing to do is stroke a 2.2 to 2.4 liter; the cost is
reasonable, parts are available & there will actually be room for
things like an intercooler, nitrous, etc. Would you like to work on an
early Legacy with a 3.3 engine in it? Not me!!! Good luck---ROD (AZ.)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregg Holliday
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:57 AM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Engine Size & Swaps
>
>
> What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
> Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw
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> pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.
>
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[Doug Hancock]

Well folks I have tried to work this out as well and the news is not good.
The disstance between the chasis rails is the same as the width of the
engine. Same bore an stroke as the 2.2l but it is physically wider than the
2.2. The 2.0l also shares the same stroke and it is a little wider than the
2.2l. It is also longer so you would have to move the gearbox back and that
will affect the angle of the CVs. It turned out that it was more trouble
than it was worth so ive gone for a later model 2.0l turbo instead.

The widths of the engines are:-
2.2l single over head cam 29"
2.0l double over head cam 31"
3.3l double over head cam 34"

I have a 2.2l non turbo front wheel drive in Australia and was contemplating
this task with 4wd but the 2.0l won on choice, even on price $3500 for a
3.3l front cut verses $2500 for a twin turbo front cut. I know what one will
be going in.


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[Ian Shastko]

Well to be honest I wasn't considering the swap I have an EJ22t with a water
to air intercooler to support the extra boost.I was just wondering because
I'm sort of a "Tim the tool man taylor" when it comes to cars. I use to own
a Honda with a B16A transplant and man that was a fun car, but there was a
great lack of grip being a front wheel drive. I'm also about to put a H22
prelude engine into a 2000 honda accord coupe that we are going through for
turbo and NOS support. Its going to be a daily driver of my best friends
with roughfly 400hp @ 17psi. So I know all about the costs for turbocharging
and the benafits of engine swaps. The way I see it is that if subaru hasn't
done the swap in a racecar then there is probably a good reason for it.

>From: "Samuel Barrett" <LEVATHIAN@sprintmail.com>
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:18:46 -0800
>
>Ian,
>
>Have you ever put a V8 in a volkswagon beetle? Could you imagine what it
>would be like driving one that had been modified that way? The front end
>would be lightened considerably, even to the point of requiring
>counterloading. The drivetrain would have to be beefed up and the mounts
>for
>the engine would have to be completely re-designed, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
>
>Now, with that said, I'm using an extream example here. A better example
>would be putting a RX-7 rotory in a Miata... O.K. maybe not, but you get
>the
>point. Putting a SVX engine would not be as insane as putting a v8 in a
>beetle. However, the handling performance of the machine would change
>considerably. It would dive through corners more because of the added
>weight
>up front. All sorts of physical loads the chasis was designed for would be
>weighted differently than what they were designed for. If you added any
>kind
>of additional goodies to the engine bay, like an intercooler, you'd have to
>get real handy with welding torch and fiberglass to accomodate. Batteries
>and things would have to be put under seats or in trunks... Anything is
>possible with enough time and $$. But why? Why not get 350 horses out of
>the
>4 clylender and spend 3/4ths the cash, and have something in the end that
>is
>weighted correctly? Or go buy an Audi...
>
>-Sambo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ian Shastko [mailto:smotocon@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:57 AM
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
>
>
>
>what does the SVX put out? it there that much more horse power to make it
>worthwhile?
>
> >From: "Daniel Wilson" <daniel.wilson@db.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
> >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:20:48 -0000
> >
> >Yep the SVX engine should fit.
> >
> >--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Gregg Holliday" <shemeryahu@y...>
> >wrote:
> > > What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
> > > Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw
> >a
> > > pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.
> >
>
>
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[Gary Grahn]

Ian,

where are you located at? Sounds like a project I am working on for a guy named Derek .... that would be toooo weird

Gary

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From: Ian Shastko [mailto:smotocon@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:19 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps



Well to be honest I wasn't considering the swap I have an EJ22t with a water
to air intercooler to support the extra boost.I was just wondering because
I'm sort of a "Tim the tool man taylor" when it comes to cars. I use to own
a Honda with a B16A transplant and man that was a fun car, but there was a
great lack of grip being a front wheel drive. I'm also about to put a H22
prelude engine into a 2000 honda accord coupe that we are going through for
turbo and NOS support. Its going to be a daily driver of my best friends
with roughfly 400hp @ 17psi. So I know all about the costs for turbocharging
and the benafits of engine swaps. The way I see it is that if subaru hasn't
done the swap in a racecar then there is probably a good reason for it.

>From: "Samuel Barrett" <LEVATHIAN@sprintmail.com>
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:18:46 -0800
>
>Ian,
>
>Have you ever put a V8 in a volkswagon beetle? Could you imagine what it
>would be like driving one that had been modified that way? The front end
>would be lightened considerably, even to the point of requiring
>counterloading. The drivetrain would have to be beefed up and the mounts
>for
>the engine would have to be completely re-designed, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
>
>Now, with that said, I'm using an extream example here. A better example
>would be putting a RX-7 rotory in a Miata... O.K. maybe not, but you get
>the
>point. Putting a SVX engine would not be as insane as putting a v8 in a
>beetle. However, the handling performance of the machine would change
>considerably. It would dive through corners more because of the added
>weight
>up front. All sorts of physical loads the chasis was designed for would be
>weighted differently than what they were designed for. If you added any
>kind
>of additional goodies to the engine bay, like an intercooler, you'd have to
>get real handy with welding torch and fiberglass to accomodate. Batteries
>and things would have to be put under seats or in trunks... Anything is
>possible with enough time and $$. But why? Why not get 350 horses out of
>the
>4 clylender and spend 3/4ths the cash, and have something in the end that
>is
>weighted correctly? Or go buy an Audi...
>
>-Sambo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ian Shastko [mailto:smotocon@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:57 AM
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
>
>
>
>what does the SVX put out? it there that much more horse power to make it
>worthwhile?
>
> >From: "Daniel Wilson" <daniel.wilson@db.co.nz>
> >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
> >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:20:48 -0000
> >
> >Yep the SVX engine should fit.
> >
> >--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Gregg Holliday" <shemeryahu@y...>
> >wrote:
> > > What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
> > > Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw
> >a
> > > pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.
> >
>
>
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[Ian Shastko]

Yeah, I was on the phone with him when he read your e-mail. I'm out in
Monroe, but hopefully I'll be moving to Redmond in the next few months.
E-mail me at smotocon@hotmail.com and we'll talk more.


>From: "Gary Grahn" <ggrahnVI@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 112:14 -0800
>
>Ian,
>
>where are you located at? Sounds like a project I am working on for a
>guy named Derek .... that would be toooo weird
>
>Gary
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ian Shastko [mailto:smotocon@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:19 AM
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
>
>
>
>Well to be honest I wasn't considering the swap I have an EJ22t with a
>water
>to air intercooler to support the extra boost.I was just wondering
>because
>I'm sort of a "Tim the tool man taylor" when it comes to cars. I use to
>own
>a Honda with a B16A transplant and man that was a fun car, but there was
>a
>great lack of grip being a front wheel drive. I'm also about to put a
>H22
>prelude engine into a 2000 honda accord coupe that we are going through
>for
>turbo and NOS support. Its going to be a daily driver of my best friends
>
>with roughfly 400hp @ 17psi. So I know all about the costs for
>turbocharging
>and the benafits of engine swaps. The way I see it is that if subaru
>hasn't
>done the swap in a racecar then there is probably a good reason for it.
>
> >From: "Samuel Barrett" <LEVATHIAN@sprintmail.com>
> >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
> >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:18:46 -0800
> >
> >Ian,
> >
> >Have you ever put a V8 in a volkswagon beetle? Could you imagine what
>it
> >would be like driving one that had been modified that way? The front
>end
> >would be lightened considerably, even to the point of requiring
> >counterloading. The drivetrain would have to be beefed up and the
>mounts
> >for
> >the engine would have to be completely re-designed, etc, etc, ad
>infinitum.
> >
> >Now, with that said, I'm using an extream example here. A better
>example
> >would be putting a RX-7 rotory in a Miata... O.K. maybe not, but you
>get
> >the
> >point. Putting a SVX engine would not be as insane as putting a v8 in a
> >beetle. However, the handling performance of the machine would change
> >considerably. It would dive through corners more because of the added
> >weight
> >up front. All sorts of physical loads the chasis was designed for would
>be
> >weighted differently than what they were designed for. If you added any
>
> >kind
> >of additional goodies to the engine bay, like an intercooler, you'd
>have to
> >get real handy with welding torch and fiberglass to accomodate.
>Batteries
> >and things would have to be put under seats or in trunks... Anything is
> >possible with enough time and $$. But why? Why not get 350 horses out
>of
> >the
> >4 clylender and spend 3/4ths the cash, and have something in the end
>that
> >is
> >weighted correctly? Or go buy an Audi...
> >
> >-Sambo
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ian Shastko [mailto:smotocon@hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:57 AM
> >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
> >
> >
> >
> >what does the SVX put out? it there that much more horse power to make
>it
> >worthwhile?
> >
> > >From: "Daniel Wilson" <daniel.wilson@db.co.nz>
> > >Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: Engine Size & Swaps
> > >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:20:48 -0000
> > >
> > >Yep the SVX engine should fit.
> > >
> > >--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Gregg Holliday" <shemeryahu@y...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > What's the max size (litres) engine that can fit in the US-spec
> > > > Legacies for our years (mine is a 93)? Somewhere, I thought I saw
> > >a
> > > > pic of a 1st-gen Legacy witn an SVX engine, but I'm not too sure.
> > >
> >
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