DAMN, all I want is a set of the teardrop fogs, but NOOOO

dscoobydoo · Post by **dscoobydoo** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:01 am

My timing must just suck.

Does anyone know where to find a set that was in the Aussie spec/Euro spec cars?

I have tried the RS liberty forums, and they seem to not like US people.

Help!

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:17 am

Dunno if you're aware or not, but they wont fit the bumper beam unless you modify it. That said they occasionally pop up on ebay from time to time. And yeah I agree, aussie's dont really like us, for whatever reason. There's one guy on there though I forget his exact name, it's like Al_rs_ssa or something, talk to him.

dscoobydoo · Post by **dscoobydoo** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:14 am

Hell, minor bit of metal tweaking and they will fit.

That is what torches and plasma cutters are for

Full metal shop waiting for me.

I keep my eyes on ebay.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:09 pm

Well, be careful because there are airbag sensors somewhere in the bumper.

But, yes, some massaging of the bumper beam should make them fit.

dscoobydoo · Post by **dscoobydoo** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:52 am

LOL, what? you think I would just fire up and tear into it?

I love my car too much for that!

LMAO

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:03 pm

I'm just sayin'... it's not like the sensors are right on top where you can see 'em. If you did it in a manner that would be considered careful on a non-airbag car it still could be dangerous.

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:17 am

well here's one for ya: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 67554&rd=1

dscoobydoo · Post by **dscoobydoo** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:24 am

LMAO- thanks THAWA, but I don't want to be known as blinky!!

Left side only. Yeah, I check the UK and Aust ebay sites often too.

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:36 am

personally I'd take the opportunity to grab one while you can, and when another single pops up, grab that too.

dzx · Post by **dzx** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:58 am

Kinda off topic a little bit but i saw a bmw with what looked like HID foglights, they were really tight.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:46 am

HID fog lights are a stupid idea; he nature of HID-produced light makes it perform poorly in a fog lamp.

dzx · Post by **dzx** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:48 am

I know, but they looooked damn kewl. I think yellow light works the best due to wavelength but maybe thats just me. I had some yellow foglights on my mustang that worked great until one fell off and i ran it over.

Guess thats what i get for shortcutting installation, i suppose i could have used duct tape...

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:53 am

Wasting lots of money on reducing performance and safety looks kewl?

dzx · Post by **dzx** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:36 pm

when you have the money that some people do in boulder i don't really think its an issue. As for reducing safety, look at how many cars don't have foglights and if they were bothersome in the fog, thats what the off switch is for.

I said they looked cool, i didn't say they were particulary useful did I. How many people do you think buy foglights for their performance versus how they look? If people buy them just for use in fog, nobody would have them on before its dark or foggy. However for your information they do make HID bulbs that work well in precipitous environments. It's a 10 or 18W HID system available in flashlights for divers and can be adapted for use in foglights on cars.

When its a matter of personal like/dislike of looks, it depends on the person. Maybe people shouldn't buy art because it only looks good and it costs money, hell most of it doesn't even look good. All it does is sit on the wall. It reduces safety doesn't it? What if the oil based paint were to catch fire. It reduces functionality doesn't it, all you need a house for is sleeping and eating, art is a distraction.

You are a smart guy but mocking someone, especially over something like foglights is petty and childish.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:48 pm

I was asking why you thought they looked cool. I'm sorry if you felt I was mocking you; I didn't mean it that way. I just meant to show my disagreement.

I don't see why it matters how many people buy them for performance and how many buy them for looks. And using fog lights when driving at speed at night when it's not foggy actually does reduce your safety. Common mistakes are still mistakes.

I don't know much about the divers' flashlights based on HID technology, but unless it's significantly different from the type used on automobiles I don't see how you could adapt them to be good fog lights. A flashlight is completely different from a fog light.

Spending your money on art doesn't unnecessarily put others at risk. Putting poor lighting on your car -- or incorrectly using your car's lighting -- does. That's not cool.

dzx · Post by **dzx** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:00 am

k, sorry for getting pissed

dscoobydoo · Post by **dscoobydoo** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:21 am

I think Subaru more meant these as driving lights. HID lights project a might brighter and smooth light pattern versus normal halogen lights.

In fact, HIDs actually have what I call a light "edge". Halogens slowly fade out the further out you get, where HIDs actually seems like they stop at a certain range.

If you don't believe me, park two cars next to each other and compare the lights.

Where I drive, more light is better. I don't get too much fog.
But yes, yellow light shows up more in the fog, but the distance is reduced versus normal "white" light in non fog situations.

That is why they have driving/fog lights with both colors.

But hte HID driving lights for these cars do just look cool too!

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:50 am

They're meant as fogs, if it was supposed to be a driving light it wouldn't be mounted in the bumper, nor would it turn off when you activate the high beams.

Also what HID driving lights are you refering to?

dzx · Post by **dzx** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:22 am

Most foglights nowadays are meant more for the aggressive appearance they produce versus the actual functionality. Cars that would really need functional fog lights would be closer to coastal climates where there is a lot of fog. Not too many companies make options that a minority would need the standard.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:53 pm

dscoobydoo - These lights aren't HID; the light source is a halogen H3 lamp.

The cutoff you're talking about actually isn't so dependent on the type of light source. It has much more to do with the optics. Go try out a Lincoln Mk VIII with HID headlamps, or a car that's had its sealed beams replaced with Sylvania Xenarc HID headlights. The beam patterns are terrible! Splotchy, hot-spotty, vague... Then go test out an Audi A6 with H1 halogen projector headlamps. A very sharp cutoff and a wide beam.

And to be clear -- yellow light doesn't "show up more" in fog; it simply causes less glare. The seeing distance difference between yellow and white light is of very little importance in a fog light because no properly functioning fog light allows you to see any appreciable distance. That's simply not possible in fog. The reason they make fog lights in both clear and yellow is that it's possible to achieve the goals of a fog light with a clear halogen light source.

There's no good reason for a driving light to be yellow. Most that are are primarily designed to be sold to people who don't know any better, rather than being designed to be used.

And "more light" isn't always better; it depends what the light is doing. For example, if you're cruising at 55mph on a clear night, turning on your fog lights will be worse. You won't be able to see as far because your eyes adjust to the greater amount of foreground light.

But, yes, an HID driving light isn't stupid.

dzx - You're right that most "fog lights" today are completely nonfunctional. I would say they're nearly all trash.

There are plenty of times that I've been in situations where I was only able to get where I was going because I had good fog lights. And now that I don't have them on my car, I've been in some situations where I couldn't go anywhere because of the fog. Fog happens in lots of places that aren't coastal.

It's true that not too many companies make good fog lights. The way I see it is that lots of companies have popped up to take advantage of the ricer market. There are so many brands of fog lights these days (most of them making only crappy products), when there used to be relatively few and the average quality was much higher.

dzx · Post by **dzx** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:48 am

So what would be the best all driving light and fog light bulbs? And i didnt mean to say that non coastal areas dont get fog, i was just saying they dont get as much, where i live in the mountains we get fog like you wouldn't believe maybe twice a year.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:58 am

In northern Pennsylvania and southern New York you can get a lot of fog around the mountains during the spring and summer, and sometimes in the fall too.

Pretty much all good fog lights use some type of standard-wattage halogen light source. For driving lights it can vary.

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DAMN, all I want is a set of the teardrop fogs, but NOOOO

DAMN, all I want is a set of the teardrop fogs, but NOOOO