i dont think we drive "spic" mobiles?

[Brat4by4]

I know William, I'm not saying it's in any way fair. But I wouldn't buy an STi myself, I know I can't handle all that power and I'm secure enough to admit it, whereas that stupid kid thinks he could handle a Stealth bomber. And the old lady, I'd at least give her a test-drive to see how she drove it. If she goes creeping along slow as molasses, then it's safe to say she has no idea what she's buying...

Everyone has prejudices though. It's human nature. There is not one person on this board who is 100% free of discriminatory or prejudiced thoughts. It's just that very few, if any, of us ever actually carry out such ideas...

Errrgh!! Wrong. No prejudice is born with us. They are all taught. It is continually perpetuated by adults. Look at a pre-school room at play time and then go look at a middle school cafeteria... do you think they all systematically seperated by skin color and nationality by some natural magnetism . And saying things like "it's human nature" only makes it worse. Then someone naive reads that and thinks "oh, then it's ok that i despise those spics because it is sort of human nature, i can't really help it".

And about the STi, you were talking about yourself again. And notice I said ANY car you wanted to buy. A salesman could think you just weren't suited to a Corrolla SE, you should only buy the base model. Who is he to determine that? On the other hand, there might be a 16 year that comes in and has been driving carts since he was 4 years old... Is SCCA & NASA professional competition certified and drives a car that outhandles, accelerates, and brakes to 60 mph faster than any car we could imagine. Who in the world are you to tell him that he can't have a $30k car? That's all it is. A piece of metal and rubber that costs a lot. Some people don't need $30k cars and some people have that much taken out in taxes every month. We can't judge other people, no matter what we think we know. And if everyone would just concentrate on Loving their neighbor instead of categorizing and judging, we'd all be better off.

Oh, and the old lady. For all you know she has her competition license, too, and likes to wring her car out on a road course instead of flying through city streets like a 16 year old retard. Once again, who are we to say?

[tris91ricer]

sorry about the whole inverse PC thing sleeper.

It's cool. In fact, i think i like it better when people butt with me on my ideas.. makes for a more rewarding relationship. But then again, I somehow thrive on ostracism.

[AWD_addict]

Any car dealer that is selective in who they'll sell particular cars to will only lose business. For example, the BMW salesman who tells a prospective customer "we won't be getting the M Coupe in the U.S." in a snobby manner, because the customer wasn't a typical BMW-looking guy. A year later the M Coupe appears in the U.S., but now the customer isn't going to buy the car as a matter of principle.
Sure in a perfect Subaru paradise, no dumbass is going to buy the cars we love. But part of the reason for the better models is the success of the vehicles that have larger market appeal, so any idiot wants to buy them. Having every dealer decide which model you can buy would be too 1984 for me.

[tris91ricer]

Yes, i concur, it is rather 1984-ish, i realized that as i wrote it. But the way our world works now, it makes more sense to keep you safe. (let's not start a pro-anti-war discussion) Sure, you lost out today, but you lived to see tomorrow, didn't you? There will always be shortcomings. I had it explained to me once that, as a nation, we're slowly approaching a more conservative mindset again, to where we're going to prove that history repeats itself.
Think of the timeline of America from 1900 to 2000. Just deal with it 1000 years at a time. 1900: we're pretty prudish, conservative, and our dress and actions show it. Thru the years we decide we like alcohol, freedom, and black people. (don't trip on this one, folks.) Here we approach the 60-70's era: Free love, LSD, and long hair. Slowly, we approach the 80's --we got our coke, yuppies, and BMWs.. Still kinda free... but we're buckling down.. mm.. 90's come along.. Rap's cool, we like our girls nekkid and dancing in the video while we throw our cash money out the escalade. 2000 and up: we're facing war, terror, and a whole slew of shit we've never dealt with before, let alone sat down with the bong and thought about. So we have to keep ourselves safe; let's go to war, take these people out. Others cry: No, no war! Let them be! promote a positive world where we can ALL be free!
Sure, nice thought, both of them, but we're back to that fear mentality which spurs a syndrome similar to the age of the Salem witch trials.
Do we hang 'em or let 'em swim?
It all becomes personal from there on out; call it as you see it, cause that's all anyone can do.
(well, unless you're the NSA, NRO, or that craptastic CIA of ours..)

[AWD_addict]

From a safety point of view, I'd rather have driver's license types that determine the class (performance wise) of car you can buy than dealers doing that using their own judgement. Think about how easy the drive test is, and it's the same for everyone nomatter what you drive (except commercial stuff). Hell, I could have taken both parts of the test in Ukrainian, so the licensing system is far from ideal.

[tris91ricer]

true. there are many levels at which we should/could set limits. For instance, my retarded friend (yes, he's close, IQ ~86 on a good day) BARELY passed the drive test (3rd-4th try) so he could drive a freshly rebuilt 1987 RX7 JDM Turbo. Parents bought it, but I've since made them reconsider.. (I'd like to have him see his 21st birthday..)
Now, placing that much power in the hands of not only an unexperienced driver (can't drive stick that well) but someone with less than the mental capacity to respect said power, is ludicrous. And there are many people out there just like him! Yes, we are free in this nation to do what we please, but limits and profiling becomes necessary as patterns and trends develop, even as we speak!

[evolutionmovement]

Back on prejudice, I think that it is sometimes taught, but also born as a consequence of observation and interaction. I thought I'd go to Egypt and come back telling everyojne how they're just people like anyone else, only with different culture. As a consequence of dealing with people there, I can say that pretty much the opposite happened. They worked hard to get me to hate them, 'twould be a shame to let that go to waste, I suppose. Though my issues is with the culture not the race. My point is that my parents never taught me this, I picked up myself.

As for things being different now? I don't think anything's really ever changed at all.

Steve

[tris91ricer]

As for things being different now? I don't think anything's really ever changed at all.

Nope. And the sooner we accept it, the better. I've long since given up trying to change the world. It's such a romantic thought, but oh! so hard when you're not already on top.
Look at it this way; You cannot change the world, but you can always make people feel guilty for their thoughts, actions, and opinions.
On my way to work this morning, I was behind a rather dirty semi-truck. Now, normally, people, (kids) would have written "wash me" or something stupid about boobies or flash friday on it. Nope. Not here. Instead, there's some half-scrawled comment on the right about John Kerry. On the left, they wrote "John Kerry is a trador." I assume they meant 'traitor', but nonetheless, CHILDREN with no real political stance, and obviously no curfew or sense of decency have somehow come to think that because everyone else is making fun of Mr. Kerry, that they too should partake. This amazed me, and really made me think. Bush is running an amazing campaign. I don't personally like either of our top candidates, and for some reason, I have to respect Bush and his cronies for the fight they've led thus far. They've convinced an entire nation and media structure that we need to be rediculing Kerry for anything/everything but his politics. Prime example: The KIDS! This, by means of human insecurity is my idea of world domination. If you can't make someone do/think your way, at least make them feel guilty/wrong for the opposite. --which leads to KIDS scrawling on trucks about a man of which they know nothing, and have no right to even vote for.
I believe that it's this system of media and thinking that take the rebellion out of America, and put the control into the hands of whoever has the wheel at that time, in our case, Dubya.
I hope those kids like getting shot at. The chances of them being an only child and/or not eligible for the draft are pretty slim. But then again, I can't even think that, because its prejudiced.
I feel bad that sometimes i have no sympathy for stupid people, or even guilt that I no longer care.
I cry over dead cats(and ESPECIALLY dogs), but... people who can reason and who should know better just sicken me. I vote for truth and torture.

[evolutionmovement]

Maybe the idiot driving wrote it himself.

Steve

[tris91ricer]

perhaps.. I don't know many truckers, my uncle is the only one i can think of, off the top of my head, other than my neighbor's lesbian ex-wife. She liked her Kubota Tractors and her trucks.. *shiver* She was ugly, too. Her face never fully straightened out after her 2nd child.. she had one of those temporary stroke things during pregnancy, so everything was off --her teeth to begin with.
But for the most part, they're literate, unless 'trador' means something else.. guess I'll be checking www.urbandictionary.com
to see.

I'm not having a good day, so i'm gonna check out for a while.. Thanks for letting me offend all of you with my outlandish thought processes.

[evolutionmovement]

They're just ideas, they're not offensive to me -- I'm not in the Bush administration!

Steve