Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a Turbo Legacy
Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an overseas version twice as powerful.
Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the overseas version.
Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an H6 Turbo on the way.
The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77% more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with 9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's more like it.
Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23% turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably 265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase, double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder, eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick response at lower speeds.
The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model, yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the manifold.
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel, open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
That's it for now, that's enough.
Larry Witherspoon
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Larry,
Nice post
Some comments.......the gentlemen's agreement in Japan........is no longer in effect
It's balls to the walls baby.
As for the turbo H6........I'm sorry to say......I'm fairly, to pretty damn sure that the new legacy will not have a turbo'd H6. In fact.....I've even heard they were goin to make the H6 go away......I sorta doubt that......the engine is quite remarkable....and has quite a bit of advanced technology employed in it. However.....it has always been like Subaru to introduce a product of some kind way ahead of its time, mass market does not accept what it does not know......and it goes by the wayside.......example.....SVX.....turbo legacy....and so on....
Everything I am hearing or read points the Legacy GT getting a turbo'd motor......it however is either going to be the 2.0.....or new 2.5 turbo'd motor. I would hope and assume it's the 2.5 because the 2.0 is a freakin dog until boost comes on. I think my 12 year old 2.2 has more low end grunt then the WRX motor. So we shall see what happens. It will happen by 2003 I believe......either in the late 2003 MY, as a 2003.......or as 2004 MY.
If Subaru can get some balls back in the legacy and keep the tuning of suspension, engine, and styling balanced and good......I might be looking at one as my daily driver and turn the 90 into the project car
Ok.....that's all from me......
Josh
************************************
Josh Colombo
<mailto:Josh@surrealmirage.com> Josh@surrealmirage.com
"Life, an ever-changing melody
of beats and rhythm" - ME
************************************
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a Turbo Legacy
Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an overseas version twice as powerful.
Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the overseas version.
Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an H6 Turbo on the way.
The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77% more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with 9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's more like it.
Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23% turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably 265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase, double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder, eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick response at lower speeds.
The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model, yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the manifold.
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel, open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
That's it for now, that's enough.
Larry Witherspoon
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Nice post
Some comments.......the gentlemen's agreement in Japan........is no longer in effect
It's balls to the walls baby.As for the turbo H6........I'm sorry to say......I'm fairly, to pretty damn sure that the new legacy will not have a turbo'd H6. In fact.....I've even heard they were goin to make the H6 go away......I sorta doubt that......the engine is quite remarkable....and has quite a bit of advanced technology employed in it. However.....it has always been like Subaru to introduce a product of some kind way ahead of its time, mass market does not accept what it does not know......and it goes by the wayside.......example.....SVX.....turbo legacy....and so on....
Everything I am hearing or read points the Legacy GT getting a turbo'd motor......it however is either going to be the 2.0.....or new 2.5 turbo'd motor. I would hope and assume it's the 2.5 because the 2.0 is a freakin dog until boost comes on. I think my 12 year old 2.2 has more low end grunt then the WRX motor. So we shall see what happens. It will happen by 2003 I believe......either in the late 2003 MY, as a 2003.......or as 2004 MY.
If Subaru can get some balls back in the legacy and keep the tuning of suspension, engine, and styling balanced and good......I might be looking at one as my daily driver and turn the 90 into the project car
Ok.....that's all from me......
Josh
************************************
Josh Colombo
<mailto:Josh@surrealmirage.com> Josh@surrealmirage.com
"Life, an ever-changing melody
of beats and rhythm" - ME
************************************
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Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 37 AM
To: STi_Mlist@ImprezaWRX.org; BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a Turbo Legacy
Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an overseas version twice as powerful.
Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the overseas version.
Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an H6 Turbo on the way.
The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77% more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with 9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's more like it.
Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23% turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably 265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase, double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder, eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick response at lower speeds.
The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model, yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the manifold.
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel, open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
That's it for now, that's enough.
Larry Witherspoon
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I think it will mostly likely be the USDM WRX engine, it is US
emission certified and it can surely handle a Legacy's weight.
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <josh@s...> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Nice post
>
> Some comments.......the gentlemen's agreement in Japan........is no
longer in effect It's balls to the walls baby.
>
> As for the turbo H6........I'm sorry to say......I'm fairly, to
pretty damn sure that the new legacy will not have a turbo'd H6. In
fact.....I've even heard they were goin to make the H6 go away......I
sorta doubt that......the engine is quite remarkable....and has quite
a bit of advanced technology employed in it. However.....it has
always been like Subaru to introduce a product of some kind way ahead
of its time, mass market does not accept what it does not
know......and it goes by the wayside.......example.....SVX.....turbo
legacy....and so on....
>
> Everything I am hearing or read points the Legacy GT getting a
turbo'd motor......it however is either going to be the 2.0.....or
new 2.5 turbo'd motor. I would hope and assume it's the 2.5 because
the 2.0 is a freakin dog until boost comes on. I think my 12 year
old 2.2 has more low end grunt then the WRX motor. So we shall see
what happens. It will happen by 2003 I believe......either in the
late 2003 MY, as a 2003.......or as 2004 MY.
>
> If Subaru can get some balls back in the legacy and keep the tuning
of suspension, engine, and styling balanced and good......I might be
looking at one as my daily driver and turn the 90 into the project
car
>
> Ok.....that's all from me......
>
> Josh
>
> ************************************
> Josh Colombo
> <mailto:Josh@s...> Josh@s...
>
> "Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ssspoon@a... [mailto:ssspoon@a...]
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 37 AM
> To: STi_Mlist@I...; BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
>
>
>
> Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a
Turbo Legacy
>
> Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an
overseas version twice as powerful.
>
> Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the
overseas version.
>
> Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an
H6 Turbo on the way.
>
> The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP
more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77%
more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about
a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so
maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
>
> The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with
9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
>
> So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we
come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's
more like it.
>
> Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate
the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase
to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
>
> IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23%
turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high
end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for
a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
>
> Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the
ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about
factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North
America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER
overseas !!!!!!!
>
> With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably
265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are
correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a
while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a
factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
>
> Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
>
> The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase,
double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct
ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder,
eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The
engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and
produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque
at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already
producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick
response at lower speeds.
>
> The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque
than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model,
yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder
engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on
regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
>
> Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-
stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed
range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for
high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features
an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics.
Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake
runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the
valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or
light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-
pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the
manifold.
>
> A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to
help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine
speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed
to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of
exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust
pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm --
the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber.
The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure,
enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not
affect the noise level.
>
> I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited
disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel,
open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned,
hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority
of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what
you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
>
> That's it for now, that's enough.
>
> Larry Witherspoon
>
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emission certified and it can surely handle a Legacy's weight.
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <josh@s...> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Nice post
>
> Some comments.......the gentlemen's agreement in Japan........is no
longer in effect
It's balls to the walls baby.>
> As for the turbo H6........I'm sorry to say......I'm fairly, to
pretty damn sure that the new legacy will not have a turbo'd H6. In
fact.....I've even heard they were goin to make the H6 go away......I
sorta doubt that......the engine is quite remarkable....and has quite
a bit of advanced technology employed in it. However.....it has
always been like Subaru to introduce a product of some kind way ahead
of its time, mass market does not accept what it does not
know......and it goes by the wayside.......example.....SVX.....turbo
legacy....and so on....
>
> Everything I am hearing or read points the Legacy GT getting a
turbo'd motor......it however is either going to be the 2.0.....or
new 2.5 turbo'd motor. I would hope and assume it's the 2.5 because
the 2.0 is a freakin dog until boost comes on. I think my 12 year
old 2.2 has more low end grunt then the WRX motor. So we shall see
what happens. It will happen by 2003 I believe......either in the
late 2003 MY, as a 2003.......or as 2004 MY.
>
> If Subaru can get some balls back in the legacy and keep the tuning
of suspension, engine, and styling balanced and good......I might be
looking at one as my daily driver and turn the 90 into the project
car
>
> Ok.....that's all from me......
>
> Josh
>
> ************************************
> Josh Colombo
> <mailto:Josh@s...> Josh@s...
>
> "Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ssspoon@a... [mailto:ssspoon@a...]
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 37 AM
> To: STi_Mlist@I...; BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
>
>
>
> Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a
Turbo Legacy
>
> Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an
overseas version twice as powerful.
>
> Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the
overseas version.
>
> Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an
H6 Turbo on the way.
>
> The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP
more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77%
more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about
a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so
maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
>
> The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with
9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
>
> So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we
come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's
more like it.
>
> Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate
the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase
to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
>
> IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23%
turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high
end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for
a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
>
> Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the
ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about
factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North
America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER
overseas !!!!!!!
>
> With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably
265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are
correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a
while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a
factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
>
> Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
>
> The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase,
double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct
ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder,
eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The
engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and
produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque
at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already
producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick
response at lower speeds.
>
> The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque
than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model,
yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder
engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on
regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
>
> Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-
stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed
range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for
high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features
an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics.
Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake
runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the
valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or
light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-
pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the
manifold.
>
> A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to
help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine
speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed
to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of
exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust
pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm --
the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber.
The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure,
enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not
affect the noise level.
>
> I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited
disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel,
open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned,
hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority
of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what
you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
>
> That's it for now, that's enough.
>
> Larry Witherspoon
>
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New Turbo H6 Potential ???
I wouldn't get any hopes up for a H6 turbo. At least
not in the US market. Subaru held a meeting for all
the regional Subaru sales managers a few months back
and I had the opportunity to look through their "plan"
for vehicles in the next couple years. This is just
what they would like to do and not for sure what they
will do though.
2003 - New Forester and new model Baja MY2003
MY2003 or MY2004 - WRX STI, only 1200 models
stateside. A good portion of those to Colorado
though. No specs.
MY2004 - Forester GT, basically a top model Forester
with a WRX engine.
MY2005 - Legacy GT Turbo - Most likely a WRX engine
That's just what I read though. They are already
doing some H6 Legacys in Japan and people would love a
H6 Forester so they could change what their doing
easily.
2003 Legacy GT automatic models have a shift-tronic
system kind of like Audi's triptronic. Way better
shifting than Audi's though. (At least on the
prototype I drove in April)
Prodrive is pushing Subaru to add it's NGT (New
Generation Transmission) to WRX STI editions in the
next couple of years. This is the tranny developed
for WRC cars. It is an elctonically controlled MANUAL
transmission. Not an automatic transmission with
manual mode. Basically can fit a six or seven speed
gearbox in the same amount of space as a five speed
due to less need for user error preventitive equipment
in tranny.
My two pages.
Grant
--- ssspoon@aol.com wrote:
>
> Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out
> there was a Turbo Legacy
>
> Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out
> there was an overseas
> version twice as powerful.
>
> Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy
> comparable to the overseas
> version.
>
> Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing
> whisperings about an H6 Turbo on
> the way.
>
> The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses.
> About a 100 HP more than the
> 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77%
> more power out of 50%
> more displacement. But we're talking about a
> "Sports Luxury Car" engine
> versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all
> that valid of a
> comparison.
>
> The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8%
> less power with 9% less
> displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
>
> So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165
> horsepower 2.5 RS we come up
> with a 28% power increase from 20% more
> displacement. That's more like it.
>
> Working within this linearity, does that mean we can
> extrapolate the factory
> power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable
> increase to that of a 2.2 or
> 2.0 turbo?
>
> IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22
> that gets a 23%
> turbocharged increase for the North American market.
> And on the high end we
> see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and
> beyond) for a 133% power
> increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
>
> Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything
> from in the ballpark of
> 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking
> about factory rated power in
> the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to
> FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT
> FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
>
> With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in
> Japan probably 265 is
> closer to what everyone will see. But if the
> assumptions are correct (and
> Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a
> while), should it not be
> relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory
> turbo H6 without breaking
> a sweat?
>
> Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
>
> The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an
> aluminum crankcase,
> double-overhead camshafts and four valves per
> cylinder. A direct ignition
> system uses an individual ignition coil for each
> cylinder, eliminating the
> need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The
> engine displaces 2,999 cubic
> centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212
> horsepower at 6,000 rpm and
> 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200
> rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0
> engine is already producing a substantial 174
> lb.-ft. of torque, providing
> quick response at lower speeds.
>
> The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more
> horsepower and torque than the
> 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited
> model, yet is only 20
> millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that
> four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru
> models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular
> fuel, but 91 octane is
> recommended for maximum performance.
>
> Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake
> manifold and a dual-stage
> muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the
> engine speed range.
> Low-speed and mid-range power have not been
> compromised for high-rpm power,
> and vice versa. The variable intake manifold
> features an induction control
> valve that provides two intake characteristics.
> Below 3,700 rpm the valve
> remains closed to create a long intake runner
> length, helping to boost
> low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens
> above 3,700 rpm, the
> manifold creates a "scavenging" or light
> supercharging effect, allowing each
> cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air
> bouncing off the opposite
> side of the manifold.
>
> A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies
> muffler volume to help enhance
> engine power in different speed ranges. At lower
> engine speeds (around-town
> driving, for example), the valve remains closed to
> provide a smaller-volume
> muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust
> back-pressure enhances power
> at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about
> 22 psi -- which occurs
> at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow
> exhaust gas through an
> additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler
> volume reduces exhaust
> back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds.
> Muffler valve operation does
> not affect the noise level.
>
> I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with
> unlimited disposal income,
> one of my cars would be an old style open wheel,
> open tub, tucked and rolled,
> dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with
> suicide doors and a
> blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know
> what the hell I'm
> talking about, but that's what you get for reading
> my shit. Ask your dad.
>
> That's it for now, that's enough.
>
> Larry Witherspoon
>
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not in the US market. Subaru held a meeting for all
the regional Subaru sales managers a few months back
and I had the opportunity to look through their "plan"
for vehicles in the next couple years. This is just
what they would like to do and not for sure what they
will do though.
2003 - New Forester and new model Baja MY2003
MY2003 or MY2004 - WRX STI, only 1200 models
stateside. A good portion of those to Colorado
though. No specs.
MY2004 - Forester GT, basically a top model Forester
with a WRX engine.
MY2005 - Legacy GT Turbo - Most likely a WRX engine
That's just what I read though. They are already
doing some H6 Legacys in Japan and people would love a
H6 Forester so they could change what their doing
easily.
2003 Legacy GT automatic models have a shift-tronic
system kind of like Audi's triptronic. Way better
shifting than Audi's though. (At least on the
prototype I drove in April)
Prodrive is pushing Subaru to add it's NGT (New
Generation Transmission) to WRX STI editions in the
next couple of years. This is the tranny developed
for WRC cars. It is an elctonically controlled MANUAL
transmission. Not an automatic transmission with
manual mode. Basically can fit a six or seven speed
gearbox in the same amount of space as a five speed
due to less need for user error preventitive equipment
in tranny.
My two pages.
Grant
--- ssspoon@aol.com wrote:
>
> Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out
> there was a Turbo Legacy
>
> Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out
> there was an overseas
> version twice as powerful.
>
> Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy
> comparable to the overseas
> version.
>
> Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing
> whisperings about an H6 Turbo on
> the way.
>
> The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses.
> About a 100 HP more than the
> 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77%
> more power out of 50%
> more displacement. But we're talking about a
> "Sports Luxury Car" engine
> versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all
> that valid of a
> comparison.
>
> The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8%
> less power with 9% less
> displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
>
> So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165
> horsepower 2.5 RS we come up
> with a 28% power increase from 20% more
> displacement. That's more like it.
>
> Working within this linearity, does that mean we can
> extrapolate the factory
> power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable
> increase to that of a 2.2 or
> 2.0 turbo?
>
> IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22
> that gets a 23%
> turbocharged increase for the North American market.
> And on the high end we
> see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and
> beyond) for a 133% power
> increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
>
> Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything
> from in the ballpark of
> 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking
> about factory rated power in
> the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to
> FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT
> FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
>
> With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in
> Japan probably 265 is
> closer to what everyone will see. But if the
> assumptions are correct (and
> Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a
> while), should it not be
> relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory
> turbo H6 without breaking
> a sweat?
>
> Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
>
> The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an
> aluminum crankcase,
> double-overhead camshafts and four valves per
> cylinder. A direct ignition
> system uses an individual ignition coil for each
> cylinder, eliminating the
> need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The
> engine displaces 2,999 cubic
> centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212
> horsepower at 6,000 rpm and
> 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200
> rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0
> engine is already producing a substantial 174
> lb.-ft. of torque, providing
> quick response at lower speeds.
>
> The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more
> horsepower and torque than the
> 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited
> model, yet is only 20
> millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that
> four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru
> models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular
> fuel, but 91 octane is
> recommended for maximum performance.
>
> Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake
> manifold and a dual-stage
> muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the
> engine speed range.
> Low-speed and mid-range power have not been
> compromised for high-rpm power,
> and vice versa. The variable intake manifold
> features an induction control
> valve that provides two intake characteristics.
> Below 3,700 rpm the valve
> remains closed to create a long intake runner
> length, helping to boost
> low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens
> above 3,700 rpm, the
> manifold creates a "scavenging" or light
> supercharging effect, allowing each
> cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air
> bouncing off the opposite
> side of the manifold.
>
> A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies
> muffler volume to help enhance
> engine power in different speed ranges. At lower
> engine speeds (around-town
> driving, for example), the valve remains closed to
> provide a smaller-volume
> muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust
> back-pressure enhances power
> at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about
> 22 psi -- which occurs
> at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow
> exhaust gas through an
> additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler
> volume reduces exhaust
> back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds.
> Muffler valve operation does
> not affect the noise level.
>
> I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with
> unlimited disposal income,
> one of my cars would be an old style open wheel,
> open tub, tucked and rolled,
> dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with
> suicide doors and a
> blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know
> what the hell I'm
> talking about, but that's what you get for reading
> my shit. Ask your dad.
>
> That's it for now, that's enough.
>
> Larry Witherspoon
>
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Sam & Beth Barrett
New Turbo H6 Potential ???
My first project car was a VW Beetle. While I was working out of a my friends garage, I asked about the odd looking car in the other bay. I said, "Looks like an old car." My friend responded, "Yup, my old man's working on it."
The next day the 457 arrived. I felt like Neo.
"Whoa."
-Sambo
-----Original Message-----
From: ssspoon@aol.com [mailto:ssspoon@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 17 AM
To: STi_Mlist@ImprezaWRX.org; BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a Turbo Legacy
Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an overseas version twice as powerful.
Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the overseas version.
Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an H6 Turbo on the way.
The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77% more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with 9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's more like it.
Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23% turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably 265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase, double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder, eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick response at lower speeds.
The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model, yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the manifold.
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel, open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
That's it for now, that's enough.
Larry Witherspoon
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The next day the 457 arrived. I felt like Neo.
"Whoa."
-Sambo
-----Original Message-----
From: ssspoon@aol.com [mailto:ssspoon@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 17 AM
To: STi_Mlist@ImprezaWRX.org; BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a Turbo Legacy
Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an overseas version twice as powerful.
Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the overseas version.
Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an H6 Turbo on the way.
The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77% more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with 9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's more like it.
Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23% turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably 265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase, double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder, eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick response at lower speeds.
The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model, yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the manifold.
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel, open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
That's it for now, that's enough.
Larry Witherspoon
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Douglas Hancock
New Turbo H6 Potential ???
The 2.5 motor is due in OZ and USA this time next year (Source Motor Magazine Australia). There are also roomers of the new H6 being built by STI to be place in the new and bigger Liberty with 280 kW. Subaru has also just owned up on the new STI S202 of having 235kw. Good-bye gentlemans agreement and about f%^n time to.
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Colombo [mailto:josh@surrealmirage.com]
Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 6:27 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
Larry,
Nice post
Some comments.......the gentlemen's agreement in Japan........is no longer in effect It's balls to the walls baby.
As for the turbo H6........I'm sorry to say......I'm fairly, to pretty damn sure that the new legacy will not have a turbo'd H6. In fact.....I've even heard they were goin to make the H6 go away......I sorta doubt that......the engine is quite remarkable....and has quite a bit of advanced technology employed in it. However.....it has always been like Subaru to introduce a product of some kind way ahead of its time, mass market does not accept what it does not know......and it goes by the wayside.......example.....SVX.....turbo legacy....and so on....
Everything I am hearing or read points the Legacy GT getting a turbo'd motor......it however is either going to be the 2.0.....or new 2.5 turbo'd motor. I would hope and assume it's the 2.5 because the 2.0 is a freakin dog until boost comes on. I think my 12 year old 2.2 has more low end grunt then the WRX motor. So we shall see what happens. It will happen by 2003 I believe......either in the late 2003 MY, as a 2003.......or as 2004 MY.
If Subaru can get some balls back in the legacy and keep the tuning of suspension, engine, and styling balanced and good......I might be looking at one as my daily driver and turn the 90 into the project car
Ok.....that's all from me......
Josh
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Josh Colombo
<mailto:Josh@surrealmirage.com> Josh@surrealmirage.com
"Life, an ever-changing melody
of beats and rhythm" - ME
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-----Original Message-----
From: ssspoon@aol.com [mailto:ssspoon@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 37 AM
To: STi_Mlist@ImprezaWRX.org; BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a Turbo Legacy
Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an overseas version twice as powerful.
Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the overseas version.
Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an H6 Turbo on the way.
The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77% more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with 9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's more like it.
Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23% turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably 265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase, double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder, eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick response at lower speeds.
The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model, yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the manifold.
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel, open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
That's it for now, that's enough.
Larry Witherspoon
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-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Colombo [mailto:josh@surrealmirage.com]
Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 6:27 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
Larry,
Nice post
Some comments.......the gentlemen's agreement in Japan........is no longer in effect
It's balls to the walls baby.As for the turbo H6........I'm sorry to say......I'm fairly, to pretty damn sure that the new legacy will not have a turbo'd H6. In fact.....I've even heard they were goin to make the H6 go away......I sorta doubt that......the engine is quite remarkable....and has quite a bit of advanced technology employed in it. However.....it has always been like Subaru to introduce a product of some kind way ahead of its time, mass market does not accept what it does not know......and it goes by the wayside.......example.....SVX.....turbo legacy....and so on....
Everything I am hearing or read points the Legacy GT getting a turbo'd motor......it however is either going to be the 2.0.....or new 2.5 turbo'd motor. I would hope and assume it's the 2.5 because the 2.0 is a freakin dog until boost comes on. I think my 12 year old 2.2 has more low end grunt then the WRX motor. So we shall see what happens. It will happen by 2003 I believe......either in the late 2003 MY, as a 2003.......or as 2004 MY.
If Subaru can get some balls back in the legacy and keep the tuning of suspension, engine, and styling balanced and good......I might be looking at one as my daily driver and turn the 90 into the project car
Ok.....that's all from me......
Josh
************************************
Josh Colombo
<mailto:Josh@surrealmirage.com> Josh@surrealmirage.com
"Life, an ever-changing melody
of beats and rhythm" - ME
************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: ssspoon@aol.com [mailto:ssspoon@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 37 AM
To: STi_Mlist@ImprezaWRX.org; BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
Cried when I had a 1.8 GL-10 Turbo, then found out there was a Turbo Legacy
Bought a Turbo Legacy then cried when I found out there was an overseas version twice as powerful.
Collecting parts to retrofit my Turbo Legacy comparable to the overseas version.
Getting ready to cry again cause I'm hearing whisperings about an H6 Turbo on the way.
The SVX 3.3 H6 was good for a rated 230 horses. About a 100 HP more than the 2.2 EJ22 N/A with about 1100 more CC's or about 77% more power out of 50% more displacement. But we're talking about a "Sports Luxury Car" engine versus a grandmas grocery getter, so maybe not all that valid of a comparison.
The new Outback 3.0 H6 is rated at 212 HP, about 8% less power with 9% less displacement than the SVX 3.3 so I'm down with that.
So if we compare the 3.0 H6 with the hot 165 horsepower 2.5 RS we come up with a 28% power increase from 20% more displacement. That's more like it.
Working within this linearity, does that mean we can extrapolate the factory power output of an H6 turbo to be a comparable increase to that of a 2.2 or 2.0 turbo?
IF so, on the low end we have a 130 HP HP 2.2 EJ22 that gets a 23% turbocharged increase for the North American market. And on the high end we see a (I'll guess) 120 HP 2.0 boosted to 280 (and beyond) for a 133% power increase out of the offshore stuff !!!!
Does that mean we could see a turbo H6 with anything from in the ballpark of 25% to 130% power increase? If so we're talking about factory rated power in the hood of anywhere from 265 for North America to FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT FACTORY HORSEPOWER overseas !!!!!!!
With the gentlemans agreement factory power cap in Japan probably 265 is closer to what everyone will see. But if the assumptions are correct (and Porche has been doing 400 horsepower 3 liters for a while), should it not be relatively easy to coax 500 horses out of a factory turbo H6 without breaking a sweat?
Here's some stuff I just read I didn't know about.
The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase, double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct ignition system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder, eliminating the need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces 2,999 cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque, providing quick response at lower speeds.
The H6-3.0 produces nearly 30 percent more horsepower and torque than the 165-horsepower 2.5-liter H-4 in the Outback Limited model, yet is only 20 millimeters (0.8-inch) longer than that four-cylinder engine. Like all Subaru models the new Outback H6-3.0 models run on regular fuel, but 91 octane is recommended for maximum performance.
Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-stage muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed range. Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-rpm power, and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an induction control valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm the valve remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to boost low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect, allowing each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the opposite side of the manifold.
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
I can't keep up with this stuff. That's why with unlimited disposal income, one of my cars would be an old style open wheel, open tub, tucked and rolled, dropped, chopped, channeled, sectioned, hot rod with suicide doors and a blown hemi. I expect the majority of you won't know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's what you get for reading my shit. Ask your dad.
That's it for now, that's enough.
Larry Witherspoon
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