EJ20G Versus EJ22T (stock USA BC-BF engine)

William D. Robinson · Post by **William D. Robinson** » Fri Nov 17, 2000 1:22 pm

I own a 92 5-speed sedan with a few mods and 135k miles on the original
engine. I also own a complete EJ20G (2000cc quad cam turbo engine used
outside the US) and another EJ20G with collision damage to one head and
camshaft. Even though I have a fresh EJ20G sitting on the shelf ready
to drop in. (I have a cherry picker and big heated garage), I have not
bothered to swap engines. In Spokane County,Washington State, I have to
go through an emissions inspection every couple of years and an EJ20G
aint legal in the US. It's a lot easier to hide a bunch of mods on an
EJ22T than it is to hide an entire engine with non-approved serial
numbers. Although the EJ20G is a peppier engine, the main obstacles to
more power in our Legacies are in the ECU and external plumbing, lack of
iintercooler etc. I don't know how much power I have with my EJ22T stock
engine, but it is sufficient that doing an engine swap before it is
thoroughly worn out does not seem like a practical option. As I see it,
the "Holy Grail" is creating a "poor man's" 22B engine with some hybrid
of the EJ22T and solid lifter quad cam heads such as those found on the
98 2.5 RS engine. In case you didn't know, the quad cam EJ20G has
hydraulic valve lash adjusters, just like the twin cam (one per side)
EJ22T and those devices, while wonderfully quiet and reliable are a
limiting factor in achieving high revs. Unless you have ambitions for
achieving 8000 rpms, a stock EJ22T engine is not a bad choice.

(No, I do not want to sell either of my EJ20G engines)

Bill Robinson

92 Maroon 5-speed sedan, bigger turbo, WRX intercooler, custom downpipe,
3" exhaust, 3" straight-through street-rod bullet glasspak muffler, K&N
filter in stock box, Apexi AVC-R, Greddy boostlimiter overcut. VDO boost
gauge, Cyberdine air/fuel gauge/ hand-built one-of-a- kind big hood
scoop ducted through intercooler, KYB AGX adjustable shocks, Michelin
Arctic Alpin studless snow tires, Valentine One radar laser detector,
Uniden Bear Tracker mobile scanner for locating the local constabulary
and airborne speed traps. Other "stealth" devices, "Feathers McGraw"
(criminal penguin disquised as a chicken from "Wallace&Gromit"
cartoons) statue on the dash for good luck.

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RALPH · Post by **RALPH** » Fri Nov 17, 2000 3:18 pm

Bill,
Your Legacy sounds the bizz. I,m in the UK and
have a EJ20turbo saloon.and have been going mad
trying to get a bigger bonnet scoop ala WRX
in my stock hole please can you help!!!!!
Thanks Ralph.

P.S. has anybody used
www.subaruparts.com
as i want to, and i'm not sure about them, i sent
them a email inquiring after a clutch and they
didn't even reply now i find myself also in need of
a front drive shaft and want to use them.
HELP PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!

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I own a 92 5-speed sedan with a few mods and 135k miles on the original 
engine. I also own a complete EJ20G (2000cc quad cam turbo engine used 
outside the US) and another EJ20G with collision damage to one head and 
camshaft. Even though I have a fresh EJ20G sitting on the shelf ready 
to drop in. (I have a cherry picker and big heated garage), I have not 
bothered to swap engines. In Spokane County,Washington State, I have to 
go through an emissions inspection every couple of years and an EJ20G 
aint legal in the US. It's a lot easier to hide a bunch of mods on an 
EJ22T than it is to hide an entire engine with non-approved serial 
numbers. Although the EJ20G is a peppier engine, the main obstacles to 
more power in our Legacies are in the ECU and external plumbing, lack of 
iintercooler etc. I don't know how much power I have with my EJ22T stock 
engine, but it is sufficient that doing an engine swap before it is 
thoroughly worn out does not seem like a practical option. As I see it, 
the "Holy Grail" is creating a "poor man's" 22B engine with some hybrid 
of the EJ22T and solid lifter quad cam heads such as those found on the 
98 2.5 RS engine. In case you didn't know, the quad cam EJ20G has 
hydraulic valve lash adjusters, just like the twin cam (one per side) 
EJ22T and those devices, while wonderfully quiet and reliable are a 
limiting factor in achieving high revs. Unless you have ambitions for 
achieving 8000 rpms, a stock EJ22T engine is not a bad choice. 
 
(No, I do not want to sell either of my EJ20G engines) 
 
Bill Robinson 
 
92 Maroon 5-speed sedan, bigger turbo, WRX intercooler, custom downpipe, 
3" exhaust, 3" straight-through street-rod bullet glasspak muffler, K&N 
filter in stock box, Apexi AVC-R, Greddy boostlimiter overcut. VDO boost 
gauge, Cyberdine air/fuel gauge/ hand-built one-of-a- kind big hood 
scoop ducted through intercooler, KYB AGX adjustable shocks, Michelin 
Arctic Alpin studless snow tires, Valentine One radar laser detector, 
Uniden Bear Tracker mobile scanner for locating the local constabulary 
and airborne speed traps. Other "stealth" devices, "Feathers McGraw" 
(criminal penguin disquised as a chicken from "Wallace&Gromit" 
cartoons) statue on the dash for good luck. 
 
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Dave aka DLC/dackampf · Fri Nov 17, 2000 3:49 pm

Hi Will.

While you might be eager to put the killer EJ20 in your car, you
should know that the EJ22T is a stronger engine.

I witnessed this firsthand as i stared, mouth agape, at a 93 Impreza
sedan owned by one Byron, with a stock-block EJ22T making ~600HP.
This thing does the 1/4mile in 10.7, no joke. This is with original
SOHC 16-valve heads with a bit of breathing work done.

Byron's choice was a no-brainer due to the availability of these
blocks. He runs a T3/T04 hybrid at over 40 lbs of boost with
aftermarket controls, full BPM gearset, KAAZ differentials and misc
bits and pieces.

The US EJ22 uses a sand-cast closed-deck block which makes 700-800HP
attainable with stock head/block and upgraded internals and hardware.

It would be much easier to upgrade the turbo, add and intercooler,
get a fuel cut eliminator and crank the boost than to swap a whole
engine in and risk the emission-nazis giving you a FAIL on the smog
test...

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com, "William D. Robinson"
<vultureboy@m...> wrote:
> I own a 92 5-speed sedan with a few mods and 135k miles on the
original
> engine. I also own a complete EJ20G (2000cc quad cam turbo engine
used
> outside the US) and another EJ20G with collision damage to one head
and
> camshaft. Even though I have a fresh EJ20G sitting on the shelf
ready
> to drop in. (I have a cherry picker and big heated garage), I have
not
> bothered to swap engines. In Spokane County,Washington State, I
have to
> go through an emissions inspection every couple of years and an
EJ20G
> aint legal in the US. It's a lot easier to hide a bunch of mods on
an
> EJ22T than it is to hide an entire engine with non-approved serial
> numbers. Although the EJ20G is a peppier engine, the main
obstacles to
> more power in our Legacies are in the ECU and external plumbing,
lack of
> iintercooler etc. I don't know how much power I have with my EJ22T
stock
> engine, but it is sufficient that doing an engine swap before it is
> thoroughly worn out does not seem like a practical option. As I
see it,
> the "Holy Grail" is creating a "poor man's" 22B engine with some
hybrid
> of the EJ22T and solid lifter quad cam heads such as those found on
the
> 98 2.5 RS engine. In case you didn't know, the quad cam EJ20G has
> hydraulic valve lash adjusters, just like the twin cam (one per
side)
> EJ22T and those devices, while wonderfully quiet and reliable are a
> limiting factor in achieving high revs. Unless you have ambitions
for
> achieving 8000 rpms, a stock EJ22T engine is not a bad choice.
>
> (No, I do not want to sell either of my EJ20G engines)
>
> Bill Robinson
>
> 92 Maroon 5-speed sedan, bigger turbo, WRX intercooler, custom
downpipe,
> 3" exhaust, 3" straight-through street-rod bullet glasspak muffler,
K&N
> filter in stock box, Apexi AVC-R, Greddy boostlimiter overcut. VDO
boost
> gauge, Cyberdine air/fuel gauge/ hand-built one-of-a- kind big hood
> scoop ducted through intercooler, KYB AGX adjustable shocks,
Michelin
> Arctic Alpin studless snow tires, Valentine One radar laser
detector,
> Uniden Bear Tracker mobile scanner for locating the local
constabulary
> and airborne speed traps. Other "stealth" devices, "Feathers
McGraw"
> (criminal penguin disquised as a chicken from "Wallace&Gromit"
> cartoons) statue on the dash for good luck.

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penty · Post by **penty** » Sat Nov 18, 2000 9:39 am

Hey Ralph, hows your car going? any mods recently or any good ideas we can do ?

cheers

John (UK)

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From: RALPH <mailto:ralph.jarvis@uk.dreamcast.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] EJ20G Versus EJ22T (stock USA BC-BF engine)

Bill,
Your Legacy sounds the bizz. I,m in the UK and
have a EJ20turbo saloon.and have been going mad
trying to get a bigger bonnet scoop ala WRX
in my stock hole please can you help!!!!!
Thanks Ralph.

P.S. has anybody used
www.subaruparts.com
as i want to, and i'm not sure about them, i sent
them a email inquiring after a clutch and they
didn't even reply now i find myself also in need of
a front drive shaft and want to use them.
HELP PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!

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From: "William D. Robinson" < vultureboy@mindspring.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyworks@egroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] EJ20G Versus EJ22T (stock USA BC-BF engine)

<html><body>
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I own a 92 5-speed sedan with a few mods and 135k miles on the original 
engine. I also own a complete EJ20G (2000cc quad cam turbo engine used 
outside the US) and another EJ20G with collision damage to one head and 
camshaft. Even though I have a fresh EJ20G sitting on the shelf ready 
to drop in. (I have a cherry picker and big heated garage), I have not 
bothered to swap engines. In Spokane County,Washington State, I have to 
go through an emissions inspection every couple of years and an EJ20G 
aint legal in the US. It's a lot easier to hide a bunch of mods on an 
EJ22T than it is to hide an entire engine with non-approved serial 
numbers. Although the EJ20G is a peppier engine, the main obstacles to 
more power in our Legacies are in the ECU and external plumbing, lack of 
iintercooler etc. I don't know how much power I have with my EJ22T stock 
engine, but it is sufficient that doing an engine swap before it is 
thoroughly worn out does not seem like a practical option. As I see it, 
the "Holy Grail" is creating a "poor man's" 22B engine with some hybrid 
of the EJ22T and solid lifter quad cam heads such as those found on the 
98 2.5 RS engine. In case you didn't know, the quad cam EJ20G has 
hydraulic valve lash adjusters, just like the twin cam (one per side) 
EJ22T and those devices, while wonderfully quiet and reliable are a 
limiting factor in achieving high revs. Unless you have ambitions for 
achieving 8000 rpms, a stock EJ22T engine is not a bad choice. 
 
(No, I do not want to sell either of my EJ20G engines) 
 
Bill Robinson 
 
92 Maroon 5-speed sedan, bigger turbo, WRX intercooler, custom downpipe, 
3" exhaust, 3" straight-through street-rod bullet glasspak muffler, K&N 
filter in stock box, Apexi AVC-R, Greddy boostlimiter overcut. VDO boost 
gauge, Cyberdine air/fuel gauge/ hand-built one-of-a- kind big hood 
scoop ducted through intercooler, KYB AGX adjustable shocks, Michelin 
Arctic Alpin studless snow tires, Valentine One radar laser detector, 
Uniden Bear Tracker mobile scanner for locating the local constabulary 
and airborne speed traps. Other "stealth" devices, "Feathers McGraw" 
(criminal penguin disquised as a chicken from "Wallace&Gromit" 
cartoons) statue on the dash for good luck. 
 
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penty · Post by **penty** » Mon Nov 20, 2000 11:48 am

Hey Ralph will this slot straight in then ?

cheers

John (UK)

----- Original Message -----
From: RALPH <mailto:ralph.jarvis@uk.dreamcast.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@egroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] EJ20G Versus EJ22T (stock USA BC-BF engine)

Bill,
Your Legacy sounds the bizz. I,m in the UK and
have a EJ20turbo saloon.and have been going mad
trying to get a bigger bonnet scoop ala WRX
in my stock hole please can you help!!!!!
Thanks Ralph.

P.S. has anybody used
www.subaruparts.com
as i want to, and i'm not sure about them, i sent
them a email inquiring after a clutch and they
didn't even reply now i find myself also in need of
a front drive shaft and want to use them.
HELP PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!

---- In reply to ----
From: "William D. Robinson" < vultureboy@mindspring.com>
To: BC-BFLegacyworks@egroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] EJ20G Versus EJ22T (stock USA BC-BF engine)

<html><body>
<tt>
I own a 92 5-speed sedan with a few mods and 135k miles on the original 
engine. I also own a complete EJ20G (2000cc quad cam turbo engine used 
outside the US) and another EJ20G with collision damage to one head and 
camshaft. Even though I have a fresh EJ20G sitting on the shelf ready 
to drop in. (I have a cherry picker and big heated garage), I have not 
bothered to swap engines. In Spokane County,Washington State, I have to 
go through an emissions inspection every couple of years and an EJ20G 
aint legal in the US. It's a lot easier to hide a bunch of mods on an 
EJ22T than it is to hide an entire engine with non-approved serial 
numbers. Although the EJ20G is a peppier engine, the main obstacles to 
more power in our Legacies are in the ECU and external plumbing, lack of 
iintercooler etc. I don't know how much power I have with my EJ22T stock 
engine, but it is sufficient that doing an engine swap before it is 
thoroughly worn out does not seem like a practical option. As I see it, 
the "Holy Grail" is creating a "poor man's" 22B engine with some hybrid 
of the EJ22T and solid lifter quad cam heads such as those found on the 
98 2.5 RS engine. In case you didn't know, the quad cam EJ20G has 
hydraulic valve lash adjusters, just like the twin cam (one per side) 
EJ22T and those devices, while wonderfully quiet and reliable are a 
limiting factor in achieving high revs. Unless you have ambitions for 
achieving 8000 rpms, a stock EJ22T engine is not a bad choice. 
 
(No, I do not want to sell either of my EJ20G engines) 
 
Bill Robinson 
 
92 Maroon 5-speed sedan, bigger turbo, WRX intercooler, custom downpipe, 
3" exhaust, 3" straight-through street-rod bullet glasspak muffler, K&N 
filter in stock box, Apexi AVC-R, Greddy boostlimiter overcut. VDO boost 
gauge, Cyberdine air/fuel gauge/ hand-built one-of-a- kind big hood 
scoop ducted through intercooler, KYB AGX adjustable shocks, Michelin 
Arctic Alpin studless snow tires, Valentine One radar laser detector, 
Uniden Bear Tracker mobile scanner for locating the local constabulary 
and airborne speed traps. Other "stealth" devices, "Feathers McGraw" 
(criminal penguin disquised as a chicken from "Wallace&Gromit" 
cartoons) statue on the dash for good luck. 
 
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