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Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:13 am

http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176467

Enjoy. I'll be reviewing that thread in detail repeatedly in the next week or so.

93forestpearl · Post by **93forestpearl** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:40 am

Very very impressive. The level of detail is a little more than I expected, with the large CMM.

I'm sure I'll have a retort for you Matt

PhyrraM · Post by **PhyrraM** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:38 am

Absolutely nuts. Thanks for linking it Matt.

It's hard to believe that there is that much money in racing. It's even harder to fathom that F1 is even crazier.

They are slacking a bit though.....

kimokalihi · Post by **kimokalihi** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:47 am

To finish up this mega day, I watched a WRC Impreza driven into the service area, and saw the mechanics take the gearbox out, and replace it in a stunning 6 mins and 2 secs.

That's from being on the ground, to on jacks, tested up & down the gears in the air and back down again. The fastest on the weekend was under 6 mins.

AWD_addict · Post by **AWD_addict** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:13 am

They make some awesome parts! Works of art indeed.

dzx · Post by **dzx** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:13 pm

amazing welding. That DBR9 on the second page is hot.

Adam West · Post by **Adam West** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:26 pm

Wow! Thanks for posting!!!

legacy92ej22t · Post by **legacy92ej22t** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:39 pm

anyone notice the Legacy RS?

Adam West · Post by **Adam West** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:46 pm

Just did...oh, those cars are off the hook on the 2nd section...

That e30 M3? Good god!

Love the old speedlines!

PhyrraM · Post by **PhyrraM** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:28 pm

legacy92ej22t wrote:anyone notice the Legacy RS?

Of Course!!

Just wasn't going to spoil the suprise for everyone else.

93forestpearl · Post by **93forestpearl** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:45 am

PhyrraM wrote:Absolutely nuts. Thanks for linking it Matt.

It's hard to believe that there is that much money in racing. It's even harder to fathom that F1 is even crazier.

They are slacking a bit though.....

If you were really on your game, you would have noticed that they are still using the same closed deck 2.0L block they were 15 years ago. It is amazing that that particular block is still the basis of the WRC engines of today. Even if they use two timing belts.

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:19 pm

93forestpearl wrote:
PhyrraM wrote:Absolutely nuts. Thanks for linking it Matt.

It's hard to believe that there is that much money in racing. It's even harder to fathom that F1 is even crazier.

They are slacking a bit though.....

If you were really on your game, you would have noticed that they are still using the same closed deck 2.0L block they were 15 years ago. It is amazing that that particular block is still the basis of the WRC engines of today. Even if they use two timing belts.

Exactly. If it ain't broke, why fix it? This applies to both the block and the oil seperator plate.

kimokalihi · Post by **kimokalihi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:17 pm

Is that the plate that everyone says needs to be replaced with a metal one? Mine is plastic(the big one on the right)and someone mentioned replacing some separator plate with a metal one because it cracks but I wasn't sure what they meant.

93forestpearl · Post by **93forestpearl** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:16 pm

You are correct. That is the plate. The plastic separator plates always leak, and get oil on the clutch. I'll venture a guess as to that is why the clutch on my beater wagon shudders horribly.

Last time I bought on it was $20 at the dealer.

kimokalihi · Post by **kimokalihi** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:45 pm

Interesting. Do you replace just the big plate or the smaller one in that picture as well? I can't imagine the dealership selling anything for as low as $20. What year did you buy this part in? lol

What's the purpose of this plate anyways? Do you remove it to get access to something inside the block?

93forestpearl · Post by **93forestpearl** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:11 pm

Well, it was five years ago, but still, they are cheap. Behind that plate(the large one) is access to the #3 piston pin. The small cover, through which you get at the #4 piston pin, is already aluminum, and sealed with an o-ring. The oil separator plate is only sealed with RTV.

Edit: The new one is stamped steel, so it shouldn't be expensive.

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:39 pm

Did you guys notice that the manifold and heads still use the inline bolt pattern like the early ones as well?

93forestpearl · Post by **93forestpearl** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:14 am

Matt Monson wrote:Did you guys notice that the manifold and heads still use the inline bolt pattern like the early ones as well?

As in the intake manifold to head bolts are all in a line? I guess I didn't notice that. My experience with the newer stuff is exponentially less that the old.

What I did notice is that there are still only four bolting points for the tranny bellhousing, instead of eight. That may have to do with still using the old casting, and also less time to swap the motor if neccessary.

Also, did you see how many knock sensors they have on the block, and not in the factory location? I see three in the picture (I think).

jamal · Post by **jamal** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:23 am

oh yeah I just noticed the 4-bot bellhousing. Also from what I've heard they have their own castings for the block and heads, with different coolant passages and bearings.

This is hot:

I want to know more about the anti-lag system they use.

I wonder what you need to do to the oiling system of the turbo to angle it like that. I've heard a little electric oil pump. I'd love to make a rotated setup like that, although it looks like you'll need a wrc crossmember too. I also like how the turbo has it's own exhaust outlet for the wastegate.

ATP does this:

but we haven't gotten good numbers out of the setup.

93forestpearl · Post by **93forestpearl** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:34 am

jamal wrote:oh yeah I just noticed the 4-bot bellhousing. Also from what I've heard they have their own castings for the block and heads, with different coolant passages and bearings.

This is hot:

I wonder what you need to do to the oiling system of the turbo to angle it like that. I've heard a little electric oil pump. I'd love to make a rotated setup like that, although it looks like you'll need a wrc crossmember too.

It is definitely possible that they have different internal sand castings for the molds. Externally they seem to be identical. Dave at Rallispec says they basic block is the same, but honestly, who the hell knows.

As far as the turbo goes, i would not put it past them to have IHI build a center section that can take being mounted at a 60° angle, or more as it is hard to tell. If they designed around that constraint, it is more than possible. I'm sure that IHI likes having their name on the turbo.

Aerotech · Post by **Aerotech** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:10 am

Gotta love flares you can have lunch on

Post by **Legacy777** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:23 pm

That was a freakin awesome read!!

I'd love to go to their open house next year!

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